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Skinz
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17th Aug 05 at 14:39   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

This is probably mainly for Cybermonkey, but do they have some sort of simulation for testing lighting strikes on new planes. I am in debate with my boss and I need to know this/
richard_syko
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17th Aug 05 at 14:41   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Its okay to be hit by lightening.

Just knocks a few instruments out.

richard_syko
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There is a place in Germany where the can make lightening, was on top gear years ago.
Skinz
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17th Aug 05 at 14:42   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

But do they simulate on a new plane before its released?
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apparantely the pilots are all made to put a 9 volt on their tongue before the can fly a plane
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alan, its a generally tried and tested formula that the electrostatic discharge spikes on the outbaord ailerons are sufficient in the event of a lightning strike. Very rare that you would get any side-effects from it.
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quote:
Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
apparantely the pilots are all made to put a 9 volt on their tongue before the can fly a plane


I need to know!
Cybermonkey
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17th Aug 05 at 14:47   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

you now know
Skinz
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quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey
alan, its a generally tried and tested formula that the electrostatic discharge spikes on the outbaord ailerons are sufficient in the event of a lightning strike. Very rare that you would get any side-effects from it.


So they dont test with new planes then? So when the boeing 767 was released it wouldn't have been tested with a lightning strike simulation?
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Yes they do, its called the sparksim2004EGH7ES

ww.google.com will tell you that much
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quote:
Originally posted by Skinz
quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey
alan, its a generally tried and tested formula that the electrostatic discharge spikes on the outbaord ailerons are sufficient in the event of a lightning strike. Very rare that you would get any side-effects from it.


So they dont test with new planes then? So when the boeing 767 was released it wouldn't have been tested with a lightning strike simulation?


i am not sure, but i highly doubt it. would be a pointless and costly simulation
Cybermonkey
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Cybermonkey
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as you can see in this link, the aluminum aircraft airframe is a very good conductor

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/pub/ltg/plane_japan.php
Skinz
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17th Aug 05 at 15:17   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

fook about what effect on the people inside do you think that had
Cybermonkey
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17th Aug 05 at 15:19   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

none at all, aircraft are hit everyday by lightning. just a bright flash outside is all you would see.
last aircraft to crash from a lightning strike was 40years ago, a 707 got hit and vapours ignited in fuel tank
Skinz
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what caused that imense flash?
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17th Aug 05 at 15:24   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

discharge into the air from the aluminum skin
Skinz
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why did the lightening hit, then go then reappear again when the body flashed?
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i think because the lightning passed through the aircraft, but the skin picked up enough charge, and the second flash was the discharge
John
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quote:
Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
apparantely the pilots are all made to put a 9 volt on their tongue before the can fly a plane

Rob H
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17th Aug 05 at 19:54   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Pretty sure alot of the flight controls systems have anti-lightening strike circuits built into them, so they can cope with the spikes created. The Aeroplane itself also acts as a Faraday's Cage so does help alot with "rejecting" the energy created by the strike .
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What does it matter, the plane gets hit by lightning the charge normally dispurses straight thru it, the plane has a earth line over it for purposes of keeping the charge outside of the plane, plus the pane is in air, not on the ground, so you cant really be electrocuted, just burnt
Skinz
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yeah id much rather be burnt to a crisp
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quote:
Originally posted by Skinz
quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey
alan, its a generally tried and tested formula that the electrostatic discharge spikes on the outbaord ailerons are sufficient in the event of a lightning strike. Very rare that you would get any side-effects from it.


So they dont test with new planes then? So when the boeing 767 was released it wouldn't have been tested with a lightning strike simulation?
They test it with maths and physics. No need to actually test it physically when they can do simulations e.t.c.. on computer.

 
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