whitter45
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A Perfromance car is built for one purpose - To be fast both in a straight line and around corners.
With this in mind the car must be built from scratch to do this purpose so any CTR, Astra GSI etc don't really fit the bill
Looking at Lous Elises, Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo etc - all built for that reason not fast versions of family/standard cars
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Steve
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what would happen if you explained that to a CTR driver? do you think his head would explode similar to Total Recall when they are exposed to mars atmosphere?
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rustyarchs
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one that can do fast rolling starts when acceleration is needed most not just standing starts runs cos its lightweight,capable of at least a true 140mph and handles as well at that speed as it would on a track,has good brakes that is up to the job
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Robin
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thats the Caterham 7 Roadsport out of the equation then 
and the R300.
and an R400 with a full tank 
[Edited on 21-09-2006 by robmarriott]
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Joe
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I agree with Robin, Exige seems most likely. Most other high end sports cars have Aircon/leather etc which takes away some of its sporting ability. Aerial Atom maybe another one.
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Robin
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even the S1 Elise won't do 140mph.
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rustyarchs
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if it cant beat some of the 1.4 corsas on heres top speed then yes id think so 
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rustyarchs
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i can show you plenty of fast performance cars than can do over 140mph if you cant find any 
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Marc
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
do you think his head would explode similar to Total Recall when they are exposed to mars atmosphere?
Thats exactly what would happen Stcheven.
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Robin
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i can find loads, i'm just trying to say its not all about top speed. an Elise/Exige/Caterham R300 is a performance car, but doesnt fit with your points.
and like i said earlier, M5 is a performance car, but isnt 100% purpose built.
its very difficult to define it, it all depends on what you see as performance, wether its top speed, or handling.
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rustyarchs
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quote:
Originally posted by robmarriott
even the S1 Elise won't do 140mph.
but an exige will 
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Dave A
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depends if its a performance car for the road or a performance car for th track.
My car is quick, shows up a lot of so called 'performance cars' that cost lots more money than a 11 year old corsa i.e CTR's and 172's etc... but driving it on the road is a pain, its slow over bumpy roads (which most are), if speedbumps are around its bad, its gutless under 3000rpm and needs to be revved hard to get the most out of it, driving in traffic is annoying.... so against a performace road car, I would happily drive the CRT or 172
But
On an open road or dual carriageway it really changes, is quick right through the revs, loves being revved high, handles amazingly well for a corsa, the brakes mean I can outbrake any other hothatch with no problems and I still havnt pushed it really hard on the road because I am too sensible.
then, put it on a track and it will be even better. so it depends what you want from the performance car, everyday round town use or an A road/ track animal.
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Dave A
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oh and my definition of a performance car is a mitsubishi Evo. does all of the scenarios amazingy well, not ridiculously expensive and has room in the back for a kiddies seat
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quote:
Originally posted by robmarriott
i can find loads, i'm just trying to say its not all about top speed. an Elise/Exige/Caterham R300 is a performance car, but doesnt fit with your points.
and like i said earlier, M5 is a performance car, but isnt 100% purpose built.
its very difficult to define it, it all depends on what you see as performance, wether its top speed, or handling.
to me a performance car should be a master of all trades not just a track day toy that has a limited top speed that most rep cars can beat
by the way i came to this conclusion years ago whilst watching the gumball and noticed that big cars that had a mix of everything done the best and it is only my opinion 
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Marc
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The new Focus ST and Golf GTi are performance cars yet orignally started out as family hatchbacks, just like the Evo and Impreza are based on family saloons.
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Robin
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Both performance cars, just by a different definition.
[Edited on 21-09-2006 by robmarriott]
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rustyarchs
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dunno bout the red x but the bentley def has the trimmings
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Robin
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pic sorted now
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rustyarchs
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ahh gottcha
prob with the lower spec elise/caterham to me is its limited top speed stick it on any track with big straights and any advantage it had with its handeling is eaten back up,, if i remember correctly didnt the mg zt beat the elise round the top gear track
i get what your saying and they are good cars
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JadeM
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What is a performance car??? Simple....one that performs!
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mav
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Is mine, i think it's a performance saloon
0-60 in 6.7 secs, 200bhp standard quarter in 15 secs i think...140+ top speed
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SVM 286
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quote:
Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
just got me thinking, what makes a performance car?
A car that can out handle, out accelerate and out brake conventional run-of-the-mill transportation type cars.
A reasonable secondary consideration would be that it should be capable of a relatively high top speed.
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SVM 286
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quote:
Originally posted by rustyarchs
by the way i came to this conclusion years ago whilst watching the gumball and noticed that big cars that had a mix of everything done the best and it is only my opinion
My thoughts precisely Mr Archs.
I would far rather enter an endurance event like that one in a Brabus EV12 for example, in preference to a Diablo or a Caterham or similar.
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quote:
Originally posted by rustyarchs
one that can do fast rolling starts when acceleration is needed most not just standing starts runs cos its lightweight,capable of at least a true 140mph and handles as well at that speed as it would on a track,has good brakes that is up to the job
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3CorsaMeal
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quote:
Originally posted by mav
Is mine, i think it's a performance saloon
0-60 in 6.7 secs, 200bhp standard quarter in 15 secs i think...140+ top speed
yes thats the other thing, they stick the "performance" in front of things now
performance saloon
performance coupe
performance hatch
i think things like elises, exige, caterham, are real performance cars as they sacrifice alot of luxury for speed and handling
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