ed
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Thats the point I am making, you wont be able to do the rusty bolts and stuff. I was dissapointed when I bought the massive compressor, though I was warned by the first guy I spoke to at my local pnumatics place that I would need a three phase system to get the right ammount CFM of air at the right pressure. You will find that a normal compressor will cut out at about 7 or 8 bar. The operating pressure of most of those tools is about 10cfm. You will have the pressure to start with, then as soon as the tank runs low you will loose all that pressure and will not get enough CFM of air any more.... Even with a 200 litre tank!
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craig8
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a small compressor will only have enough pressure to give a bolt a quick buzz, it may loosen it a little it may not, i know because i have both sitting in the garage
E36 328
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jamesvalver
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i got most of that at work, and to be honest... £4554 i really cheep. ive prob got more than that just sat in my top box and roll cab!!
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Mark330d
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Ive already got 1k or so worth of tools. There will be more stuff i need but thats for later. Need to get this list bought first.
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Wonderboy
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1k worth and your only 15 :O Thats alot.
Do you have a car which you working on and hoping to use when you turn 17 ?
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Mark330d
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Yup got a wee corsa sri atm. Gona lower it tomorrow. Its my 3rd car. I used to have an x reg corsa c wi full custom exhaust etc etc bt i sold it wish i hadnt
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Wonderboy
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Your 15, had 3 cars and over £1000 in tools ?
I'm guessing you have a job ? or just good parents  ?
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Mark330d
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I work hard doing what i can. Whether it be knocking down walls to valeting cars and i save alot. Parents have also contributed a good bit to it.
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SVM 286
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark330d
I hated school so basically im on a program that allows people to leave shool and do practical work like engineering, construction etc.
Good on you Mark.
I've always said that's what's needed.
I'd have leapt at the opportunity to do that rather than go to the poxy pointless secondary school I went to. Waste of 5 years.
This sytem should have been around 30 years ago at least and kept/improved over the years. 
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Mark330d
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Yup its brilliant, i used to dread school everyday an coodnt wait till .3.30 bt now im in collge an i wana work for longer etc. school works for some people but not others. Im doing my english standard grades credit aswell just to prove to employers that i can literate and can write well etc.
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Originally posted by SVM 286
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Originally posted by Mark330d
I hated school so basically im on a program that allows people to leave shool and do practical work like engineering, construction etc.
Good on you Mark.
I've always said that's what's needed.
I'd have leapt at the opportunity to do that rather than go to the poxy pointless secondary school I went to. Waste of 5 years.
This sytem should have been around 30 years ago at least and kept/improved over the years.
If there was no secondary school, then there would be a load of scruffy chavs with no education and more of them on the dole robbin our taxes.
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SVM 286
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Ed is correct.
Small compressors are only any good for silly DIY stuff like a bit of botch painting or inflating a tyre.
Any compressor that can be had legitimately for 90 quid is not worth even looking at. The fact it comes with an air gun too is laughable.
My Ingersol 1/2'' gun cost £350 alone and needs a LOT of air to work effectively.
You realy need 3 phase that can run at least 6 bar, and with plenty of capacity. Without a large enough volume of air you're f*cked for undoing the most basic things.
I have all my tools at home as work supply tools where I am now.
Annoyingly I can't use my air tools at home as I have no compressor and couldn't afford what I would need to operate them properly.
Where I work we have a large new compressor. I think it's an axial turbine type (the type that whooshes  ) rather than a piston or reciprocating variant. Anyway, it has a large tank and we have it plumbed to a second tank too. After undoing two front wheels or using an air ratchet for an extended period on one bolt, the compressor will run for 10 - 20 seconds or more easily in most cases. This shows how much air is required.
There are still cases where a breaker bar is required too, as a lot of things won't come undone with an average quality gun.
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SVM 286
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Originally posted by glb86
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Originally posted by SVM 286
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Originally posted by Mark330d
I hated school so basically im on a program that allows people to leave shool and do practical work like engineering, construction etc.
Good on you Mark.
I've always said that's what's needed.
I'd have leapt at the opportunity to do that rather than go to the poxy pointless secondary school I went to. Waste of 5 years.
This sytem should have been around 30 years ago at least and kept/improved over the years.
If there was no secondary school, then there would be a load of scruffy chavs with no education and more of them on the dole robbin our taxes.
I wasn't discounting schools completely GLB. There needs to be other options though, and this appears to be a far more practical one.
The sort of people that are likely to skive off and rake the streets could possibly be turned around by an opportunity to earn a living rather than be lectured to, to no avail in classes that they don't understand or like, and are bored by.
I went to a miserable school and would have loved a chance to learn a trade in my Father's area, or maybe computers or the motor trade.
Schools don't prepare people enough considering the current climate.
Primary schools should concentrate on the 3 Rs, and discipline, and then secondary should be an option of vocational or qualifications or a conbination depending on the requirements and desires of the student and his or her parents in my opinion.
I've always felt this way.
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SVM 286
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Incidentally Mark, and this is purely dependant on the sort of thing you end up doing, but your best bet is probably to get the basics first -
i.e.
Common sizes for UK, continental and Jap cars in -
Spanners
Sockets, deep and shallow, 1/4'' 3/8'' and 1/2'' drive
plus a selection of extentions to suit the above and hand ratchets for all three.
You'll also need good screw drivers and a range of pliers
(you'll find out what you need most as you go along)
Buy good tools once and keep them safe and preferably insured and then you won't need to buy them again. Cheap tools are a false economy. They don't do the job effectively, they break, and they have no warranty so you have to buy them again.
Get a good tool box/chest/roll cab. You're better off buying a 2nd hand Snap-on rather than a cheap brand new one. A cheap one will have sticky drawers and fall apart after a few years, a proper one can last you a lifetime.
Don't worry about actual equipment like tyre fitting stuff yet. There's very little money in doing tyres as a one man band, and you're far better off using a local specialist for all your wheel and tyre work. Use them enough and you'll get good rates.
Save the money you would have spent on that sort of gear and spend it on at least one very good jack. The higher the lift the better. Weber-Hydraulik make excellent jacks. Also get yourself two pairs of good quality axle stands, a pair of wheels ramps and an engine support bar.
After you've secured the funds, go for a 3 phase compressor and whatever air tools you need.
Oh, and you can never have enough seriously hefty lever/pry/crow bars in different sizes, particularly in the case of suspension work. 
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Mark330d
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Already got all the basics. IVe spent over 1k already on tools.
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I love tools So much crap I could buy but would never use, maybe just put on a little display in my barn and admire it
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sam-smith
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i think its really great that you work so hard for all that stuff that will help you in your future and that your doing something you love.
but dont you feel your missing out on alot of childhood? i mean i hardly seee most of my old friends since i left school and althoug i hated it i really do miss it. dont you miss seeing your mates everyday at school? and eing able to do fuckall and get away with it?
i mean sure college is great and iv met more people but, im just glad im doing it now (17) abd not at 15
[Edited on 17-01-2007 by sam-smith]
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BeArDy
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for tools and stuff look at TengTool 1001 tool kit, its about £1500 but has almost everything
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quote:
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I hated school so basically im on a program that allows people to leave shool and do practical work like engineering, construction etc.
how the hell can you hate school 
i loved school, i would love to be back there
Marcy Marc 
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SVM 286
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Marc, you are either joking or insane.
Which one is it mate?
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Sidesport
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Right, he'll buy his compressor, he'll buy his impact wrench and he'll go to undo his wheel nuts with his 17mm socket. The wheel nuts will not come undone. Even worse, he might do his wheel nuts up with it, drive 4 miles down the road only to have the nuts come loose and the wheels will start clunking about.
Your doing your "customers" wheels nuts up with a impact wrench.  
Never never never, always by hand using a torque wrench to the correct newtons!
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SVM 286
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marklaruk
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i have been looking at a £20 challenge wrench set
[Edited on 20-01-2007 by marklaruk]
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MikeE
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quote:
Originally posted by marklaruk
i have been looking at a £20 challenge wrench set
[Edited on 20-01-2007 by marklaruk]
dont waste your money challenge is pikey argos crap
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ed
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Originally posted by Sidesport
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Originally posted by ed
Right, he'll buy his compressor, he'll buy his impact wrench and he'll go to undo his wheel nuts with his 17mm socket. The wheel nuts will not come undone. Even worse, he might do his wheel nuts up with it, drive 4 miles down the road only to have the nuts come loose and the wheels will start clunking about.
Your doing your "customers" wheels nuts up with a impact wrench.
Never never never, always by hand using a torque wrench to the correct newtons!
Er no. If you read my posts then you would see that I don't have a powerfull enough compressor to use them. I'm not a fucking idiot either, so don't start going off on one at me either thank you. If I did have the pressure then I would use the air gun to undo the wheel nuts and my torque wrench to do them up. So please cut the bullshit you twat 
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