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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6975955.stm
He feels the number of foreigners playing in the Premiership is having a negative effect on the English national team. Is he right?
Personally I think....
- If, as he says, the number has vastly increased since 1992 has the England team not won the world cup since 1966. As surely the number of foreigners between 1966 and 1992 was at its lowest ever?
- If we limit the number of top class foreigners then the standard of the Prem will be lower, and theirfore the standard of English players (not all!) would be lower.
- If the top class English players were around then they would force their way into these teams anyway, irregardless of any foreigners.
- Why blame the clubs buying the foreigners when the cost of young English players is through the roof (e.g. Walcott)
- And most importantly....why employ a manager that has proven nothing at club level to take charge of the (not IMO, but is in most) biggest managerial job in England.
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Nath
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I would like to limit the amount of foreigners but then I don't think it's damaging the National side as much as Brooking reckons.
Like you said, we've won fuck all since 66.
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Cosmo
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I would like to limit the amount of foreigners
I have no problem with doing this, aslong as its done all across Europe. As otherwise the chances of English clubs doing well in European Competitions will be limited. And mainly, something is done with the amount English players cost, as they are stupidly high now, let alone when clubs KNOW you have to buy that player to meet quotas.
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Nath
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Yeah would have to be a UEFA thing.
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Cosmo
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Yeah would have to be a UEFA thing.
Dunno what they could do about the amount they cost though, other than having the FA put a price on all young players and not the clubs themselves.
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[ let alone when clubs KNOW you have to buy that player to meet quotas.
They wouldn't HAVE to buy English players if they brought them through the Acadamys instead of buying cheap tallent from abroad.
Trouble is in football these days, chairmen want quick success, they dont want to invest millions in a training acadamy as they wont really a return from this for a good few years, at which point they probably wont own the club anymore anyways. They'd rather give the money to the manager to go out and buy a young lad from abroad. All perfectably understandable, and why should they care about the English national team anyways.
In an ideal world then each club should have to have a certain amount of English players that have been brought up through the clubs academy either in the first team, or in the squad. This would help to bring younger players through who wouldn't normally get a chance to play as they've been replace by cheaper foriegn imports. This should be done throughout Europe and not just in the Country, to give everyone a level playing field. Whoever has the best coaches and management teams will win the competitions, and clubs wouldnt be able to "buy" success.
To be fiar no of this really effects my club anyways, so I dont really care that much, andI dont really care about England anymore. Gone are the days when it was an honour to play for your Country, its all about money, and who's got the biggest car in the car park 
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england need to realise they are not the best team in the world
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england need to realise they are not the best team in the world
 Dunno about everyone else but i'm WELL aware of this.
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Cosmo
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Thats a load of rubbish though.
ALL Prem clubs (all footy league clubs?) have to have an acadamy at the moment, and as far as Im aware (talking about Liverpool this means!!) they take in a HUGE amount of English based players. We are probably one of the biggest buyers of foreign youngsters, especially this summer, but this doesnt prevent any English players getting further up the ladder if they are good enough to play for us (and therefore no doubt be potential England players). The fact of the matter is that the English talent isnt coming through as it just isnt there at the moment.
And forcing clubs to play English players who have come through the acadamy wouldnt work either. If they arent good enough to come through naturally and be good enough to play for their domestic team then they arent going to be good enough for the national side. The only thing that would do is lower the standard of the Premiership, which would eventually have an effect on the national side.
The fact of the matter is you could have ALL the best coaches in one place working with 1000 English youngsters, but if the natural talent of a Gerrard or Rooney isnt there then it would make no difference.
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Cosmo
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england need to realise they are not the best team in the world
Dunno about everyone else but i'm WELL aware of this.
same 
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imo there should be a limit to how many foregin player are allowed on the field at one time, ie no more than 5, even if it is for domestic games, so we can still challenge in europe
but we all know nothing will be done
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Originally posted by Cosmo
ALL Prem clubs (all footy league clubs?) have to have an acadamy at the moment, and as far as Im aware (talking about Liverpool this means!!) they take in a HUGE amount of English based players. We are probably one of the biggest buyers of foreign youngsters, especially this summer, but this doesnt prevent any English players getting further up the ladder if they are good enough to play for us (and therefore no doubt be potential England players). The fact of the matter is that the English talent isnt coming through as it just isnt there at the moment.
Do you think this maybe they are not progressing up the ladder as quickly as they would within clubs into reserve team/first team becuase of all the foriegn players being bought? They may be good, but not quite as good as someone who has been bought. By playing the forieng bloke in the reserves the club are restricting the English players chance of playing at a higher level, and thus restricting his chances of improving.
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And forcing clubs to play English players who have come through the acadamy wouldnt work either. If they arent good enough to come through naturally and be good enough to play for their domestic team then they arent going to be good enough for the national side. The only thing that would do is lower the standard of the Premiership, which would eventually have an effect on the national side.
Fair point. This is something the FA have to address and employ better "grass roots" coaches to coach players before they reach a club academy.
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Cosmo
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Do you think this maybe they are not progressing up the ladder as quickly as they would within clubs into reserve team/first team becuase of all the foriegn players being bought? They may be good, but not quite as good as someone who has been bought. By playing the forieng bloke in the reserves the club are restricting the English players chance of playing at a higher level, and thus restricting his chances of improving.
Yeah, I understand this. But surely this is only ever going to effect the type of players who will only ever make up numbers. The ones who will go on to play for the national side (Gerrard, Rooney, Owen, Richards, Walcott) have all been 'future stars' since the ages of 14/15, so have always made it into the reserves and then into the main side, and always will do. Its only the 'average' players who miss out, and this makes little difference really.
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Fair point. This is something the FA have to address and employ better "grass roots" coaches to coach players before they reach a club academy.
This still will only ever give all players a better technical side. The natural ability of the players in the national side cannot be taught no matter how good the coaches, so again would make little difference to those who will eventually go on to play for thier country.
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Foreign players in the Premiership help the national team. Playing against differant styles of player can only be a good thing.
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The players are there, the managerial decisions are not. The spine of the top 3 Liverpool, Chelsea and Man United contains Carragher, Gerrard, Terry, Lampard, Ferdinand, Hargreaves and Carrick.
The Premiership is the best league in the world and the top teams are dominating Europe at the moment so i don't see why they shouldn't be competing for World Cups with the correct manager.
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The spine of the top 3 Liverpool, Chelsea and Man United contains Carragher, Gerrard, Terry, Lampard
Rooney, Crouch, SWP, Pennant, Ashley Cole, Joe Cole
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Yip Neville as well so your a goalkeeper short of a team made up of first team players from 3 of the favourites from the European cup. Then you have a manager like McLaren that is done what in the game other than gaining respect as a decent coach? 
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Yip Neville as well so your a goalkeeper short of a team made up of first team players from 3 of the favourites from the European cup. Then you have a manager like McLaren that is done what in the game other than gaining respect as a decent coach?
Carson  (as technically he is a first teamer and our player!!).
McLaren is the problem, no two ways about it, but its easier for the FA's top brass to blame clubs rather than deal with their own mistakes!
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