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Originally posted by whitter45
I would probably say the VXR is a quick car - I mean 14 secs to 100 is quick in any standards but not FAST compared to much more powerful or speed focused cars

VXR
And can you compare a VXR to a road bike in terms of performance. However your comparing your car to others that cost 3/4/5 times as much.

Our VXR is a quick car but its certainly not FAST. and the BMW is a quick car too but not FAST

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Originally posted by Tiger
The Normally Aspirated BMW 330Ci is over 200kgs heavier and as quick to 60 with less BHP.

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RWD ftw there.

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Originally posted by VXR

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Originally posted by whitter45
I would probably say the VXR is a quick car - I mean 14 secs to 100 is quick in any standards but not FAST compared to much more powerful or speed focused cars

VXR
And can you compare a VXR to a road bike in terms of performance. However your comparing your car to others that cost 3/4/5 times as much.

Our VXR is a quick car but its certainly not FAST. and the BMW is a quick car too but not FAST

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As i've already said, its a matter of opinion what fast is. I don't think the astras fast. It doesn't pin you into your seat.

Bikes Vs car is comparing something thats properly fast, and something that isn't.

An Atom costs about £30-£35k. And you can buy a tuned Skyline/Supra for £20k which would nearly stick with a bike, hence in the fast category. Just becuase its new and cost £20k, doesn't means its a fast car. As i say, depends on what you personally think is a fast car really, my expectations are obviously higher than yours and Ollys.



Tony, no probs man, although we were chuckling away as we were shouting down the phone on loudspeaker ha ha.


Flaming - Epic mum. My mother drives like an old biddy, does my head in watching everyone else go past. Bad engouh being in the passanger seat. Its not often anymore thankfully.

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Originally posted by whitter45

When did I say the VXR was fast - I said it was quick not fast

Your have proved so many times you get caught up with power figures etc - example when the Megane 250 came out - you stated that 250 BHp from a 2.0 engine is below par - yet it still achieves 6 second to 60 etc etc

You cant comapre a 20k VXR to a bike

Its needs to be like for like - yes a bike is fast but its not the benchmark to determine how fast a car is. You cant chnage the riules of physics ie weight power etc

So to summarise the VXR is a quick car IMO but is not a fast car as I would determine a fast car

To many people feel they have to defend their car choice on here

if you like the VXR and it suits your needs etc and your feel its quick enough for you then who is to say anything else

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Originally posted by VXR

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Originally posted by whitter45

When did I say the VXR was fast - I said it was quick not fast

Your have proved so many times you get caught up with power figures etc - example when the Megane 250 came out - you stated that 250 BHp from a 2.0 engine is below par - yet it still achieves 6 second to 60 etc etc

You cant comapre a 20k VXR to a bike

Its needs to be like for like - yes a bike is fast but its not the benchmark to determine how fast a car is. You cant chnage the riules of physics ie weight power etc

So to summarise the VXR is a quick car IMO but is not a fast car as I would determine a fast car

To many people feel they have to defend their car choice on here

if you like the VXR and it suits your needs etc and your feel its quick enough for you then who is to say anything else

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Dude, pill of chill.

You think its fast, I don't, end of story, Whats with the debate about it???

I can use whatever benchmark I like. A sport bike is fast, and some cars can match bikes, many are a little slower, these are fast/quick (its the same bloody thing ffs ). This is an example of a fast machine. There are cars that can do a sub 10 100. These are fast/quick cars.

Funnily, enough, I can't see anything about power figures other than when asked what power our standard astra was running. However if you wish to start a debate about that, sure, fire away.

And the 250bhp arguement was purley about power figures compared to other 2.0 16v turbo engines of this current era. That was it.

Im not defending the astra at all, your the one doing that Im saying its not a quick/fast car. Its averagly nippy. Something like say a 1.6 astra is DOG slow.

I note you ignored the part about a 2nd hand 20k skyline/supra which would wipe the floor of the astra which i would consider quick.

Maybe you just haven't experienced a proper cars performance. Astra vxr's aint all that quick at all. Compare it to say an FQ400 which also runs a 2.0 16v engine, its lame.

I like Donnas astra, its a nice car, suspensions a little stiff, and its lardy, but it handles well, and accelerates ok, but its is NOT fast/quick.


Nice input towards the actual start of the post though and what the actual post was about......

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Originally posted by whitter45

how do you know what experience I have had on cars

As you stated this thread has gone way off target as do most threads when you start to get involved

At this point I will let it get back on course

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