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22nd Jan 10 at 22:35

1.50 onwards really

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqiDEcfSnXs

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22nd Jan 10 at 22:44

Cobra maneuver

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22nd Jan 10 at 22:45

That's amazing. I would've though it would have gone into some sort of spiral!

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22nd Jan 10 at 23:03

quote:
Originally posted by noshua
That's amazing. I would've though it would have gone into some sort of spiral!

You mean stalling?
From what i know, the cobra can only be performed in a limited range of aircraft, mostly thrust vectoring (TVC), due to restraints, such as angle of attack limits. Although performing the manoeuvre in a TVC aircraft is slightly different as the aircraft actually stops mid-air and 'hovers' (doesn't loose much air speed) rather than being a short, quick manoeuvre that looses lots of air speed.
Either way, i don't think it's actually used in combat certainly not with operational loads (weapons etc).

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24th Jan 10 at 00:40

Very technical answer Dom

didnt know there was a cobra and extrem cobra either

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24th Jan 10 at 00:50

that defies physics!

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24th Jan 10 at 08:32

I saw this on Pistonheads, I just cannot understand how it's possible at all.

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24th Jan 10 at 13:06

That is fucking cool

At altitude you cant see the speed until you do something like that

Just dont let the one behind rear end you

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24th Jan 10 at 13:09

Bet they couldnt do that on a conveyor belt though.

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24th Jan 10 at 14:07

quote:
Originally posted by Ojc
I saw this on Pistonheads, I just cannot understand how it's possible at all.

IIRC, with AOA disable (i think most aircraft are limited to 30 degrees), the aircraft enters the manoeuvre at slow speed. The pilot then yanks on the stick, until he reaches the desired AOA (usually 90-110 degrees) - so now the aircraft is belly forward. At this point, the drag at the rear of the aircraft causes the aircraft to pitch forward and rotate backwards and the pilot increases throttle to make up the loss of airspeed.
Entering the manoeuvre is different depending on the aircraft, like the Su-27 needs to be 30 degrees up when entering to recover correctly. And i think fuel loads comes into play as well. But you get the idea.

And the super cobra is the same except you go for the full 360 on axis (could be wrong though). I know the Russians claimed that the Su-37 could only do the super cobra, but i think the F-22 has performed it as well (was rumoured that a pilot performed it with a full fuel load and weapons).

Like i say though, i don't think it's used during combat mainly because the "boggey" has to be right up your rear, then you have slow down to perform the manoeuvre and the "boggey" could easily spot it and compensate their airspeed to match. That and compressor stall, which you don't want in combat situation

There's also a horizontal version of the Cobra but can't find any vids.

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24th Jan 10 at 14:40

a horizontal version ? how does that work bar beeing a tail slide

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24th Jan 10 at 15:00

quote:
Originally posted by jr
a horizontal version ? how does that work bar beeing a tail slide

I remember reading it in a book a few years ago, it basically talked about the cobra but instead of aircraft starting horizontal (then pulling back on the stick), the aircraft started at a 90 degree roll. It sounded plausible but i've never found anything to back it up.

There is the cobra turn but that's slightly different.

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24th Jan 10 at 15:07

Dom out of intrest is this just knowledge or is your job in or around aviation ?

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24th Jan 10 at 15:22

quote:
Originally posted by jr
Dom out of intrest is this just knowledge or is your job in or around aviation ?

No, far from it

Just from reading books and wiki and the likes, that and the fact the old man was air traffic for a little while and brother was heading into the RAF (but the mornon jacked it in to do politics at uni, pleb).

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24th Jan 10 at 15:23

atc is another thing i would have love to have done if i thought i was responsible enough

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24th Jan 10 at 19:01

im in the ATC as a civilian instructor atm prior to go to selection in a couple of months, its good fun. i got to do some lecture worshops on aircraft, im deffo going to put this vid in.

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24th Jan 10 at 19:11

no do something really good like on the TSR2 ryzer

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24th Jan 10 at 19:30

yeah will need to put in cool stories to keep them focused! TSR2 could be a good one, have to admit i had forgotten all about it, such a shame that corrupt politicians ruined britains engineering genius.

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24th Jan 10 at 21:00

quote:
Originally posted by jr
1.50 onwards really

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqiDEcfSnXs

Nice work

Imagine the stress/loading generated on the air frame when carrying out that kind of activity though.

Nice choice of music. Very appropriate.

Could have done with a bit of Danger Zone though

and a dash of...''Negative Ghostrider, the pattern is full''

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24th Jan 10 at 21:00

if i had to do anything on that basis would have had to go on

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24th Jan 10 at 21:01

quote:
Originally posted by SVM 286

quote:
Originally posted by jr
1.50 onwards really

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqiDEcfSnXs

Nice work Imagine the stress/loading generated on the air frame when carrying out that kind of activity though.

Nice choice of music. Very appropriate.

Could have done with a bit of Danger Zone though and a dash of...''Negative Ghostrider, the pattern is full''