Warren G
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I agree,
what the litre size of the intercooler you have?
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xa0s
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fuck knows, its off an ibiza pd160 if that helps, standard
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Warren G
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thats a standard intercooler??!?!
not an aftermarket one? arent they like £600 odd?
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antnee
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The Seat Sport ones are £300 from Sere Motors in Ireland, you need pipework on top. SS ones don't last long on high pressures that hybrids make, I know of 2 than have blown.
The better way to do a single pass is to get a Passat inlet manifold (opposite sided inlet), so you can run the pipe down the right side of the engine.
A decent piped single pass will always be better than a twin pass.
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Graham88
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Looks like a crap kit!
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Jambo
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I think he needs to have it hanging out the front of the car and butcher the front bumper. Probably an extra 30bhp
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Nic Barnes
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quote:
Originally posted by Jambo
I think he needs to have it hanging out the front of the car and butcher the front bumper. Probably an extra 30bhp
It's better to do that so it becomes more efficient anyway. No point fitting an air to air cooler then stopping air getting to it. Why fit it in the first place if efficiency wasn't one of the reasons?
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Jambo
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Can be perfectly efficient behind a bumper.
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Steve
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dont you get a pressure drop if you fit too big a IC.
i thought the size was generally calculated based on the size of the turbo you are running
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Nic Barnes
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quote:
Originally posted by Jambo
Can be perfectly efficient behind a bumper.
well no, not perfectly. the more of it that air can pass through, clearly the more efficient it is. i mean say you cover 50% of the cooler, your going to have air passing through that, which air cannot cool properly. thats not efficient. thats partially efficient. meaning its pointless fitting an intercooler that hasnt got the cores properly exposed.
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Jambo
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Whilst I agree in part, I mean covering with a bumper that has airflow. I.e a grille or ducts. Which the Fabia will have been designed to do from factory. This protecting it too.
Never seen a factory car with an externally mounted ic?
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Nic Barnes
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but thats the difference between working ok and being efficient. your mixing the 2 up id say. because a factory car has them ghidden, they work ok, they arent efficient. why try and cool something down then put stuff in its way to stop it doing what you got it for in the first place? also quite important to have enough space behind the intercooler, so that air can actually pass through it. say you sit it 1mm off a panel behind it, thats not going to work either. need clear surface front and back for it to work properly.
having a plastic grill infront of it is also going to stop air getting directly at it. its common sense really when you think about it. just because it "looks" fine doesnt mean its working "fine"
trying to explain what i mean. say a hot day, and we are talking pre air con cars here for you posh snobs with lots of money. you want to get air in to your car. its better to have the window right down. if its part way down, not as much can get in. similar theory. cover up part the intercooler, your losing that surface area thats supposed to be doing its job. hope that makes sense james.
[Edited on 02-12-2011 by Nic Barnes]
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Daveskater
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Nic is right. It's al labout free area - any grille is going to be lowering the free area percentage of the opening, which means that less air will be able to pass through. It's probably a bit drastic, but if for example your grille only left you with 50% free area, then you would have to get the air to pass through the grille twice as fast as if it was just an opening with no grille to get the same amount of airflow.
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Jambo
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I stand corrected.
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gavin18787
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quote:
Originally posted by Warren G
quote:
Originally posted by gavin18787
Think I may have a post christmas job for you if you like faffing with pipework 
faffing sounds like fun! lol
Shouldnt be too much faffing, just want help fitting an oil cooler setup 
Direct fit and you have done one on your B so should go ok id imagine
Drives supercharged Tec with torque  
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thegsi
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As mentioned the formation of the pipework isn't great. 4,5,6 bends and at least 3 being at 90deg. Even though it's bigger, the efficency of flow won't be that much greater over standard SMIC 
[Edited on 02-12-2011 by thegsi]
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Mertin
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What price was the Tx intercooler and piping, out of interest?
Common ones most people go for ar the seat sport one or Forge one, both twin pass.
Iv got the Seat Sport one on mine, felt a bit laggier in 2nd (I think) when I first had it fitted and just had a stage 1 revo at the time (and still have actually, need to get my finger out and get a custom map)
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antnee
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£250. When I still had my Mk4, I was looking at doing a similar set up, and I guestimated I could do it for about £200
http://www.txautosport.co.uk/seat-ibiza-19-tdi-lower-front-mount-intercooler-kit-335-p.asp
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antnee
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I think the route I was going to do was bottom pipe to the left side of the cooler, than the top pipe would run along the top of the crash bar then loop 180deg to the cooler
Edit,
Something like this, but turn the cooler the other way round (so ports are at the bottom) and then the top pipe can loop round before the crash bar leg.
Although the same guy now runs a different routing
[Edited on 02-12-2011 by antnee]
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Mertin
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Relocated battery to route the piping? How much more difference is there over a twin pass compared to a single pass?
Or is it just done for the more reliable intercooler as people have problems with the seat sport one on hybrids
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antnee
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Well it will flow a lot better as its single pass, no sharp turns like the end of a twin pass
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