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Stoneyginger
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   25th Feb 04 at 16:08   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
Right basically i was looking into the Velos Torque Tube which in easy terms is a version of the Mantzel Power Box and the price starts at £285 with instructions. I have emailed them inquiring about the product and will give you this link also www.velosmotorsport.co.uk/torq.htm. If i could get enough people interested in this item then they are willing to come to an agreed drop in price but i need to know how many people would genuinly be interested in buying one if you cold please u2u me if you are genuinly interested cause any dsrop in price would be most welcomed
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We need to find out whats better, Velos or Mantzel kit.

If it turns out the Velos torque tube is more value for money then I will be more than willing to invest in a group buy.
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Both the same in principle but the Mantzel looks better and has TUV approval.
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what the velos phelum(sp) then? does that give more power than this and the manzel? how?
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the only thing that is really swaying me here is the price to be honest however i would like to find out if their is a huge difference in them (Not Cosmetic though just practical)
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Both the same in principle but the Mantzel looks better and has TUV approval.


was just about to say this

also went out in JR's car and drove it and got to say mantzel box's make a lot of diff not sure about velos torque tubes tho?

Essex racer has one and he's got 115bhp ish from his on his 1.4 16v i do belive
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Yeah, your the same as me Stoney, if it does the same as the Mantzel box then I will be buying this instead.

As Joff has told me in a e-mail, with the box/torque tube you gain bhp but loose torque, so a raised rev limiter coupled with this box should see a healthy increase in both bhp & torque.

Think we need to investigate this further, maybe post up on Migweb to see if other people have had experiences with both.

I think Andy H opnion maybe needed here.
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Yeah i reckon this post in MIG would also be probably best to see what the differences are. I really only want the practical side how it looks dont matter to me
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quote:
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what the velos phelum(sp) then? does that give more power than this and the manzel? how?



Yes the people at velos just spit into your inlet. works better than 10k boost
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looks just like a hollow metal box. could probably get one fabricated
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quote:
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what the velos phelum(sp) then? does that give more power than this and the manzel? how?



Yes the people at velos just spit into your inlet. works better than 10k boost


cool, they must drink somethink like ethenol(sp again) in order for this to be any use then?!
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Stoney, have you posted it on Mig? If you have can you put a link up.
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Going by what they say on the Velos site, they are confident that it will boost power by 25%, now I know that, that is probably a load of balls. But it looks more or less the same as the Mantzel box without the writing on top.

Think I will look further into this, they can supply and fit for £495 which is £5 cheaper than the Mantzel box alone

[Edited on 25-02-2004 by Ojc]
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email them and ask if any of their products work on a 1.2 16v

or whether 1 of them can be adapted

if yes I may be very interested for a low price
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mantzel box is easy enuougth to fit looking @ a back issue of TV they show you how to fit it
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i probably would be interested if I was keeping car but alas..................
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the guys themselves say that if you can take the inlet manifold off then you can fit this thing with much ease as the hardest part of this is the removing of the existing inlet. I'm away to post on MIG now my laptop completely turned on its side there
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Paul J sorry mate but they only deal with the 1.4 and 1.6 16v engines
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Ojc here ya go matey http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=1276797#post1276797
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Stoney, my engine is sitting in the garage on a crate, will be a piece of piss to remove the inlet manifold.

I'm gonna clean it this weekend as well, shall be very shiny indeed
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some more from MIG

http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=52604

Ollie yours could make for a good demonstration for fitting
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It could well do, but I need to clean the engine first.

Stoney keep me informed for when you plan to order yours, I think you've sold it to me.
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No Probs Ollie mate probably once i get some full information on it then next week see if the boy won't drop the price for the two of us

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