Keithie
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Registered: 31st Dec 03
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i got a gsi and im considering the conversion to a red top.
anyone been in both? does the 2ltr feel much faster? will it be worth the 1500 etc to fund the conversion?
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lee mitchell
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Registered: 26th Jan 01
Location: kent...drive's: eveyones conversion cars hard lol
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ive got a tuned 1.6 and a standard 2 litre and i think the 2 litre is so much better. much more torque 
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MikeH
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Registered: 3rd Apr 03
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you would say that you do conversions 
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lee mitchell
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Registered: 26th Jan 01
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no i would say that as i have the privelege of owning both so i know
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J da Silva
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Registered: 10th Apr 03
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i owned an sxi shape corsa with a gsi engine in and 2litre's have more muscle in every respect
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stuyw
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a redtop is miles better IMO, as lee says lots more low down torque and they sound better as well 
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Siberia
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Registered: 9th Oct 03
Location: Leprechaun Land Drives : Zafira GSI
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jesus lads this c20xe must one amazing engine?
wots it like when its in the cars vauxhall made it with I.E Calibra or Cavailer?.
its prooving next to imposible to get insurance here for my conversion.
strange they will quote me on a scooby but not a on a 2ltr corsa
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MikeH
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Registered: 3rd Apr 03
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adrian flux insurance?
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stuyw
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its probably coz vauxhall never made a 2.0corsa n see as its a modified motor
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Siberia
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeH
adrian flux insurance?
im living in ireland dude and insurance companys just dont like modifed engines here.
sure this will shock ya.... i pay €2310(£2000) for a 1.2 8v and i'm 27
so the only way around it is to buy a cavailer or calibra i think.
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Fad
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Registered: 1st Feb 01
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deffo 2ltr is better JR has a tuned 1.4 16v with 136 bhp mayb more? andhe says the torque is much much better pulls much better too
altho tuned 16xe's are no slouches
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ianofbhills
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Just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons so to speak why not spend the money that it would cost on a 2ltr conversion on tuning your existing 1.6.
You allready have one of the best engines vuaxhall made that has a lot of potential over the 2ltr plus you know your engines history and that it is a good un. Think about it these redtops are getting on for over 10 years old now. When you buy it second hand you are not aware of its previous history and lets be honest valver corsa's are getting to be pretty common .
£1500 would get you the set of throttle bodies for sale in the classifeds forum. Get those put on and you will have performance to match a 2ltr and you wont have the hastle of doing an engine transplant and re-registering your car or the handling problems associated with the heavy redtops.
I know which i would choose
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Jambo
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Registered: 8th Sep 01
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As most people will tell you, theres no replacement for displacemnet
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Paul_J
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quote:
Originally posted by Jambo
As most people will tell you, theres no replacement for displacemnet
I disagree
as ian just said, if he bought keiths Throttle bodies and fitted them to his 1.6 he'll easily see way more power than a 2.0 16v and get that lovely sound TB's make.
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Paul_J
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Registered: 6th Jun 02
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http://www.corsasport.co.uk/board/viewthread.php?tid=136786
^^^ link to classifieds - keith piper selling his throttle bodies.
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The Guru
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^^ What about a C20XE with Throttle bodies?
[Edited on 13-04-2004 by The Guru]
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Fad
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quote:
Originally posted by ianofbhills
£1500 would get you the set of throttle bodies for sale in the classifeds forum. Get those put on and you will have performance to match a 2ltr and you wont have the hastle of doing an engine transplant and re-registering your car or the handling problems associated with the heavy redtops.
I know which i would choose
erm you driven a 2ltr? handling problems? i thin you will find its an urban myth conerning handling. JR has a stripped 1.4 16v with the identical suspension set up as mine and at hight speeds there is no difference in the handling at all he will also confirm this.
sure chucking tb's on a 1.6 will be great i dont dispute that but it wont be usuable as an every day car with cold starts being a bastard and you stil wont have the fat torque curve as on an XE
mines 14 years old and still pulls like a whore on crack
like i say i am might be biased but i've owned both a mildly tuned 1.4 16v and a 20xe and i know which was better
its all down the prefference i guess
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J da Silva
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my view is this- if you want a 2litre u get a 2litre if you want a 1.6 then get one of them, whatever makes you happy mate, that geeza with the funny name is onto a good thing, doing a 1.6 and modding it to a 2litre's bhp figure is a good achievement and in some ways can work out cheaper as you dont need to pay for 2litre fitting if your cars already a 1600cc
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J da Silva
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quote:
Originally posted by fadscorsa
quote:
Originally posted by ianofbhills
£1500 would get you the set of throttle bodies for sale in the classifeds forum. Get those put on and you will have performance to match a 2ltr and you wont have the hastle of doing an engine transplant and re-registering your car or the handling problems associated with the heavy redtops.
I know which i would choose
erm you driven a 2ltr? handling problems? i thin you will find its an urban myth conerning handling. JR has a stripped 1.4 16v with the identical suspension set up as mine and at hight speeds there is no difference in the handling at all he will also confirm this.
sure chucking tb's on a 1.6 will be great i dont dispute that but it wont be usuable as an every day car with cold starts being a bastard and you stil wont have the fat torque curve as on an XE
mines 14 years old and still pulls like a whore on crack
like i say i am might be biased but i've owned both a mildly tuned 1.4 16v and a 20xe and i know which was better
its all down the prefference i guess
i agree with the phrase highlighted in bold. people will tell you 2litres handling heavier and worse, its all knackers,people just like to say something so other people think they know what they are talking about
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Tim
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I agree also. Also I've never driven a 1.6, but I've raced a mate's GSi and it was loosing pretty rapidly...
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stuyw
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ive had a 1.6 16v and got a 2.0 n the 2.0 is miles better in every dept. they are heavier at the front end, but nothing that decent suspension cant sort out
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Greasemonkey
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I got a 1.6 C16XE with C20XE power 150ishBHP, its quick yes but the power is all high on up the rev range so it takes a bit to get going 5000RPM+ and it flies like a B-ATCH but it does lack the Tourqe of the C20XE and that makes a big difference, i think you would need a 170+BHP 1.6 corsa to give a C20XE a run for its money
[Edited on 13-04-2004 by Greasemonkey]
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miles
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Its physics, if you have more weight it is harder to move. Then if you put that weight over the front wheels....
I've never been in a 2.0 nova/corsa so am going to obvious theory. But at the end of the day it depends how you drive it and what your after.
Its a myth that tuned throttle bodied engines aren't any good as everyday cars and they have a poor cold start. My car gets used as a everyday car and behaves as one, whilst returning good economy.
What 1/4 times have been posted in 2.0 16v corsa's/nova's? 160bhp odd 2.0 16v nova's tend to do about 14.7.....
Ian, hows it coming along? Got much else done? Be interesting to see you at pod  Im hopefully going on the 15th of May. I'm selling up if you haven't heard.
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Andy
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quote:
Originally posted by stuyw
ive had a 1.6 16v and got a 2.0 n the 2.0 is miles better in every dept. they are heavier at the front end, but nothing that decent suspension cant sort out
At the end of the day, those extra 48kgs sitting over the front wheels are always going to be a disadvantage round the twist stuff - spending money will improve things, but spending the same money on a 1.6 suspension set up will still produce a better handling car
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Andy
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Registered: 28th Dec 99
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quote:
Originally posted by lee mitchell
ive got a tuned 1.6 and a standard 2 litre and i think the 2 litre is so much better. much more torque
You need to come for a spin in my tuned 1.6 then - far more torquey than a C20XE (over 150lb/ft) and far, far quicker
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