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PainZ

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2nd Feb 06 at 13:53

I am looking to buy a kit car this year.. I want to do all the work on it myself..

I want to buy the full kit and then build it.

What kit car's are out there that will take the C20XE? Most seem to take Zetec or pinto engines?

I really want to use a C20XE.

Ta

sxi16vjoe

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2nd Feb 06 at 13:57

Monkeh.

Teddy

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2nd Feb 06 at 14:05

Westfield.

bradfincham

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2nd Feb 06 at 14:11

Erm all depends really mate

if you mean all the work such as welding the chassis up?

or do you just want a bolt in the bag type of kit that you assemble?

99% of the kit cars have a xe setup you can use

you will need to get a 2ltr seirra for donor parts and the age related plate,
you will only need the basic engine from the xe, you will use the ford type 9 gearbox and a custome bellhousing to mate the 2

then it depends what your budget is

If under 10k look no further than MK engineering and there indy,
if over 10k then look at Dax rush and the westfield

any more questions then you know where i am

bradfincham

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2nd Feb 06 at 14:13

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WESTFIELD-SEIW-20l-16v-kit-car-not-regesterd_W0QQitemZ4608290873QQcategoryZ29750QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

something like that will be the end result

if you dont know much about cars etc, and dont want the headaches id buy one already done to start with and change it, or sell it after a year when you know what you want

PainZ

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2nd Feb 06 at 14:18

I want all the parts to bolt together.. not interesting in welding..

I would buy one, however they are so expensive..

I want to be as cheap as poss..

I mean some kits are like £5k, then 1.5K for engine = 6.5K?

just very rough lol

bradfincham

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2nd Feb 06 at 14:18

Or we have one for sale in the very near future!

This one:

its that exact car, not sure on price will be under 10k though and over 6k i would guess LOL

bradfincham

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2nd Feb 06 at 14:20

Yeh but locost, robin hood etc the quality is very poor, they use the sierra uprights all sorts, by no means there not crap but the engineering is very limited.

Most of them are variations of the locost setup

such as the stuart taylor like the green one, mk indy, tiger

donar car is £50 but gearbox will need refurb, new brake setup etc

in my opinion theres no point using parts that are 20 years old on a new car, especially if its going to have power. May as well get as many new parts as you can etc to start with

myke

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2nd Feb 06 at 18:15

duratec is a better engine.
why does it have to be an xe?

MatthewR

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2nd Feb 06 at 18:22

dont a mini take well to xe?

loo_goblin

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2nd Feb 06 at 21:01

i love that stuart taylor, think the colour is the reason it stands out from the westfields i know

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2nd Feb 06 at 21:05

Wouldn't say a kit car takes an engine as standard really? Also, there are far better engines out that over a C20XE... Ones that actually kep thier oil inside them for a start.

Robin

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2nd Feb 06 at 21:14

i know brad will prob turn his nose up, but my brother in laws mate has a C20XE'd Tiger kit car on TB's, and its brutal

took it straight away too as far as i know

tooolbox timmy

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2nd Feb 06 at 21:14

would this be the set up for the gearbox(type 9) and engine youd go for if you wanted to make an xe escort mk2??

quote:
Originally posted by bradfincham
Erm all depends really mate

if you mean all the work such as welding the chassis up?

or do you just want a bolt in the bag type of kit that you assemble?

99% of the kit cars have a xe setup you can use

you will need to get a 2ltr seirra for donor parts and the age related plate,
you will only need the basic engine from the xe, you will use the ford type 9 gearbox and a custome bellhousing to mate the 2

then it depends what your budget is

If under 10k look no further than MK engineering and there indy,
if over 10k then look at Dax rush and the westfield

any more questions then you know where i am

[Edited on 02-02-2006 by tooolbox timmy]

Robin

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2nd Feb 06 at 21:17

yes timmy, but to be honest... i think putting an XE in a mk2 is wrong, even if it is technically a cosworth engine, duratec or zetec are easier, due to the fact that they are easily adaptable from bit off other fords

tooolbox timmy

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2nd Feb 06 at 21:41

agreed on a personnal note a think id favour either the bda engine or the twin cam lotus engine,but just wondering as to how they convert the engine set up to rear wheel drive

[Edited on 02-02-2006 by tooolbox timmy]

Robin

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2nd Feb 06 at 21:42

type 9 is the simple way

bradfincham

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3rd Feb 06 at 11:04

quote:
Originally posted by robmarriott
i know brad will prob turn his nose up, but my brother in laws mate has a C20XE'd Tiger kit car on TB's, and its brutal

took it straight away too as far as i know

No the tiger is a good build of car, but i didnt like the styling but thats my opinion.
And Ed - all the kit cars have been done with an xe, they will just weld different mounts to the chassis at the factory as its been done times before. The reason they dont list an XE option from factory as the zetez/duratec is extremely cheap for a new one and they can get a good stock level. By the time they have bought what 20 new engines from vaux your talking a lot of money!

bradfincham

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3rd Feb 06 at 11:15

thats a stuart taylor and yes that a 4age engine mate

www.rawengineering.co.uk if you want to read into tuning the 4age mate

Cybermonkey

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3rd Feb 06 at 11:16

brad, is that a 4AGE in the rush?

Cybermonkey

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3rd Feb 06 at 11:17

thanks brad, looking at buying a Corolla GTi, i do like them, and they are great engines

bradfincham

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3rd Feb 06 at 11:28

they sure are ours is 175bhp ish

has raws tracpac 2 i beleive, cams omex ecu and twin delorto carbs

Cybermonkey

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3rd Feb 06 at 11:34

very nice, i have seen a few over here pushing 140kW, thats just shy of 190, although i think they might be supercharged AGZ's

bradfincham

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3rd Feb 06 at 11:35

yeh 20v supercharged setup makes 200bhp

Get a Commodore you no it makes sense!

Cybermonkey

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3rd Feb 06 at 11:39

nah brad im not really into the big lumbering commodores unless its a new one, the old ones are really shite

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