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BabyBlade
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14th Aug 06 at 18:13   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
http://www.cliosport.net/forum//showthread.php?t=160773

just so its fair..
jr
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there is some bollocks been written in that thread

much like there would be on a similar thread on here
BabyBlade
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agreed, comments are normaly 90%ish biased imo
Jake
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80bhp from some cams. They're not wrong
Mattb
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quote:
Originally posted by jake
80bhp from some cams. They're not wrong


this is true, but whats not written is the list of things needed for cams like that
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note my reply
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Mists mate has a Clio Williams and its not as quick and doest feel as torquey as an XE espescially from a rolling start. He even gets annoyed at this fact.

Had quite an interesting play with one before and a 172, just pipped the 172 but as Steve mentioned throw a hard corner into the equation and its a different ball game
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since when did the williams become "the most iconic hot hatch"
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Mists mate has a Clio Williams and its not as quick and doest feel as torquey as an XE espescially from a rolling start. He even gets annoyed at this fact.

Had quite an interesting play with one before and a 172, just pipped the 172 but as Steve mentioned throw a hard corner into the equation and its a different ball game


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been a while since i posted on that forum lol
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I used to reguarly race my mate who had a williams clio, from standing start he used to come past me pretty quick, then around 70-80 i started to pull on him, overtaking him when we get past about 100.

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since when did the williams become "the most iconic hot hatch"


Surley the Mk1 Golf GTI has that honour... its like the first hot hatch there was
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My Corsa eats clio 172s!!! :S
Tom
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quote:
Originally posted by ainsley_brader
since when did the williams become "the most iconic hot hatch"


Surley the Mk1 Golf GTI has that honour... its like the first hot hatch there was


I was going to post that until I realised I wasn't signed up to cliosport
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"Man on Clio site" - yeh,theyre verry tunable engines,80 bhp gain from sum cams,probs b able to get same as tht from a willy tho,



WHERE CAN I GET SOME OF THESE MAGIC CAMS????
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There fitted to a different engine... C20LET, don't try to take them out and you need the LET ECU as well, just get all the engine with the ECU and put that in Much easier
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There fitted to a different engine... C20LET, don't try to take them out and you need the LET ECU as well, just get all the engine with the ECU and put that in Much easier



you twat! i was being sarcastic...

ps... dont try giving me vauxhall tuning advice.
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I laugh at them saying but 'it's still a corsa' when they drive a fucking french piece of tin called a 'clio' willaims or no willaims it's still a 'clio

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I laugh at them saying but 'it's still a corsa' when they drive a fucking french piece of tin called a 'clio' willaims or no willaims it's still a 'clio



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quote:
Originally posted by ainsley_brader
since when did the williams become "the most iconic hot hatch"


Read mays edition of evo pal
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quote:
Originally posted by ainsley_brader
since when did the williams become "the most iconic hot hatch"


Read mays edition of evo pal


So cos evo says it it must be true
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If someone says "hot hatch" to me, I think Golf Mk1...
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williams clios have trick bits like wider track than the standard clio 16v etc,

They are pritty much the same in a straight line as a standard red top corsa...but who has a standard red top and you can get loads more power (pound per pound from the vauxhall engine) My clio 172 will outhandle most stuff on the road but a willimas will run rings round it.

If it was 1/4 mile times i wanted id go for the corsa and round a track the clio
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I think it is iconic, and as far as hot hatches go thats an achievement

However I'd say the Golf GTi was just as iconic if not more so? Or Mini Cooper? Or 205 GTi? Or the Lancia Delta Intergrale?

Shall I continue?

The Williams Clio was the point when they became a little crazier than usual in terms of smaller hatchback cars. Iconic doesn't mean its the fastest though, I've beaten them in my Corsa, along with 182's, CTR's etc etc etc

Would a 2.0 Corsa have been featured in Evo? Of course not, because they are built by people once they've left the factory. Would be unfair on the other cars

This is going to be a very biased argument on both forums. Some people on there seem like they are attempting educated guesses without really being educated on the subject

IE not driven both types of cars, so God knows why they are bothering to make a point when they simply guessing

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