Daimo B
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Want a career direction change.. Looking at new doors.
Anyone know of any tried and tested online resource sites to learn various web building applications? Whats the best for company style use? Macromedia, PHP (forum based isn't it?), HTML (old skool) etc? Or any better types?
Yes I have searched IE and have a few, but some of you young wippersnappers in the age of technology and have never had to rewind a VHS/Cassette Tape may have some better sites/links.
Ta....
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Liam
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Geek Day 
pixel2life.com - should have some tutorials on HTML/PHP etc. 
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willay
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Geek day.
a) http://www.devshed.com
b) http://www.php.net/
Can you currently code any language/syntax?
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topshot_2k
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depends what you want to do?
im currently learning html/java/php etc.
easy to learn if you teach yourself
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Brett
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You know what they say
"if you can see the band wagon, you've already missed it" 
You're about 5yrs too late to make any money coding HTML
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RPM
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Mmm, I think webdesign is a career that you need to do freelance then progress onto a company as companys lean towards experience more than qualifications.
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topshot_2k
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quote:
Originally posted by loafofbrett
You know what they say
"if you can see the band wagon, you've already missed it"
You're about 5yrs too late to make any money coding HTML
hardly, im a network technician but have done the colleges website, all self taught this year. they paid me extra for it and also offered me the job online development of learning resources and the website
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Brett
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You're the network technician who they're payin a bit extra on the side.
Web design pay is shit, full stop, unless you're an ASP god or something like that.
I am (was) web designer for fucks sake, I should know 
Altho, as said, Freelance could make you money, but there's a million other kids just out of school who can do it ten times better.
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James
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TBH HTML wont make you good money, PHP won't make you particularly good money.
ASP.Net can make you good money.
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ed
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While there is a need for powerfull online aplications. There is a need for people to do the job. Not something you can pick up overnight and suddenly be good at it, and it's not something you can do a course at uni and be instantly good at either...
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Ian
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There's too many people doing it for nothing. The money is in finding a niche and running your own stuff.
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AdZ9
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everyone learns how to make sites nowadays and its pretty easy to learn, and like people have said you don't need qualifications just a good portfolio and be able to show you know what your doing!
i used to be a web designer and i swapped to graphic design so i only do print now ( occasional web site/ web banners )
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MarkPW
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James, please explain why PHP and/or HTML cannot make you good money? Trust me, that's rubbish!
Like Ian said, finding a niche and running your own stuff is the way to go and that doesn't mean you can't achieve your goals by using PHP and HTML.
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drax
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Seeing the sites some people do for £200 theres a fair bit of cash to be made from it, but like said before if you dont have an angle and a full business plan you cant really live off it
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Steve
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quote:
Originally posted by MarkPW
James, please explain why PHP and/or HTML cannot make you good money? Trust me, that's rubbish!
Like Ian said, finding a niche and running your own stuff is the way to go and that doesn't mean you can't achieve your goals by using PHP and HTML.
because every mofo can do it, the secret to good webdesign, is 20% code, 80% design and creativity IMO. Code can be learnt, the latter cant
[Edited on 07-12-2006 by Steve]
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AdZ9
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ what steve says
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MarkPW
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Steve, Who said anything about web design? Learning/having knowledge of programming languages such as HTML/PHP doesn't necessarily mean it's only useful for somebody who wishes to run a web design business. I've earnt a lot money of which learning PHP/HTML has played a huge part, and I'm not a web designer.
Like I said, I'm interested to know how ASP.net will make you good money where as PHP/HTML will make you little or none. It's simply not true.
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Cosmo
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quote:
Originally posted by MarkPW
Like I said, I'm interested to know how ASP.net will make you good money where as PHP/HTML will make you little or none. It's simply not true.
from what I can gather they are talking about others paying you for these services, and the fact you'll earn next to nothing for knowing HTML/PHP as its so widely known, but will do for ASP.net as more specialised.
But as you've said, knowing HTML/PHP and implementing this in other ways, other than design for others, can make you a lot of money.
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AK
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i tried to get a job as a web designer about 6yrs ago straight out of uni with BSc Computer Science, and a few ok sites to a portfolio. No one was really interested as i didnt have a graphics/design related background/qualification. I put in two applications, didnt get any interviews, just turned down. Pretty much horseshit, but thats life.
Become some sort of real engineer.... much better money.
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Cybermonkey
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im currently learning Java/SQL, and its making me very rich
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James
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quote:
Originally posted by MarkPW
Steve, Who said anything about web design? Learning/having knowledge of programming languages such as HTML/PHP doesn't necessarily mean it's only useful for somebody who wishes to run a web design business. I've earnt a lot money of which learning PHP/HTML has played a huge part, and I'm not a web designer.
Like I said, I'm interested to know how ASP.net will make you good money where as PHP/HTML will make you little or none. It's simply not true.
I knew my comments would piss people off
Ok, HTML on its own, with no scripting knowledge will make you little or no money because it simply isnt enough to build what companies are after these days, unless its a small company wanting a small company, but they wont have a big budget!
As for PHP, money can be made but IMO every Tom, dick and harry can do PHP which means the rates for it arent as high for example as ASP.Net, although TBH .Net is becoming more like PHP now as more and more people can do it.
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Brett
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So, what I said in the first place was right and who said "hardly"
You'd be better being an ace at Photoshop, designing your site in that, then cutting it up with imageready and using dreamweaver to add the text, etc.
There isn't even a need to know HTML.
There isn't even really a need to know ASP. If you were freelance, you'd just design the site in Photoshop, cut it, Dreamweaver it, then any scripts that were needed could easily be obtained off the net and tweaked to look like your own.
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Steve
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i liek the way people think that coding html by hand makes them some kind of pro, in reality it makes them a chump because gui programs, ie dreamweaver does most of it for you, i couldnt give two shits if the coding is slightly less messy or whatever by hand
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Brett
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To do some of the stuff you can do in Dreamweaver would take fuckin hours to code one page by hand. Agreed, it's pointless.
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John
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I bet the people who claim they code totally by hand use firefox 
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