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Steve X16XE

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1st Aug 07 at 11:32

Seen it on here..... http://www.eurorallye.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=8_14&products_id=250

Cheers.

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1st Aug 07 at 12:59

F13 box
5 speed
4.36 final drive ?
Dog set up (robin has a diagram) but iirc is

R 2 4
1 3 5

[Edited on 01-08-2007 by jr]

Robin

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1st Aug 07 at 13:15

Dog box is different from a dogleg box I think.

It's something to do with the engagement of the gears rather than the shift pattern.

It's to do with the synchromesh, or lack of, or something

Ian

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1st Aug 07 at 13:22

http://www.mrtrally.com.au/performance/barking_box.htm

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1st Aug 07 at 13:23

quote:
Originally posted by Steve X16XE
Seen it on here..... http://www.eurorallye.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=8_14&products_id=250

Cheers.

that link refers to the cwp, not the actual box. the cwp is the final drive, 'crown wheel and pinion'

Dom

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1st Aug 07 at 13:23

dog box's (used on motorbikes) don't have a synchromesh (i think), thus the casing can be smaller and it's easier to change ratios etc Though you get a lot of transmission noise, crunchy gears etc

think thats right

Ian

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1st Aug 07 at 13:24

Read that link, the main difference is that the teeth are straight-cut for strength.

Steve X16XE

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1st Aug 07 at 15:27

quote:
Originally posted by Dave A

quote:
Originally posted by Steve X16XE
Seen it on here..... http://www.eurorallye.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=8_14&products_id=250

Cheers.

that link refers to the cwp, not the actual box. the cwp is the final drive, 'crown wheel and pinion'

Cheers guys

So if i had an F13 CR with one of these it would be stronger and quicker round a track?

Robin

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1st Aug 07 at 15:32

The CWP won't make it faster round a track necessarily, it will either make it faster top end, or accelerate quicker.

Shouldn't imagine it'd be stonger either TBH.

Steve X16XE

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1st Aug 07 at 15:33

But with and with out, round a track, will it be quicker?

Robin

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1st Aug 07 at 15:50

Depends on the track.

JM_16v

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1st Aug 07 at 16:04

quote:
Originally posted by Dom
dog box's (used on motorbikes) don't have a synchromesh (i think), thus the casing can be smaller and it's easier to change ratios etc Though you get a lot of transmission noise, crunchy gears etc
think thats right

double cluttching time with no synchromesh

Dom

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1st Aug 07 at 16:15

quote:
Originally posted by JM_16v

quote:
Originally posted by Dom
dog box's (used on motorbikes) don't have a synchromesh (i think), thus the casing can be smaller and it's easier to change ratios etc Though you get a lot of transmission noise, crunchy gears etc
think thats right

double cluttching time with no synchromesh

i thought drivers usually just match revs to get around the double-declutching?

steve - like robin said, it might be quicker, it might not be, depends on the track. just remember there is a fair amount more noise from the box which could be a bit of a bastard if it's going to be an everyday car.

A good vid of how to drive a dog box though - > HERE <

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1st Aug 07 at 16:34

So this "4.36 CWP" is just a final drive and you'd not have to "Double Clutch" it?

Robin

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1st Aug 07 at 16:38

Correct

Robin

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1st Aug 07 at 16:44

A 4.36 FD would be stupid on a car which you actually use on the road TBH

Steve X16XE

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1st Aug 07 at 16:51

I know. But my Corsa is going to be 90% track and 10% road.

Robin

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1st Aug 07 at 16:53

4.13 would be enough.

Dom

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1st Aug 07 at 16:56

quote:
Originally posted by Steve X16XE
So this "4.36 CWP" is just a final drive and you'd not have to "Double Clutch" it?

once you've learned to match the revs then you can get away without the clutch, but it's meant to be a bit of an art to get the hang of it. Though you'll always have to double clutch to downshift (think thats right)

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1st Aug 07 at 17:18

quote:
Originally posted by Dom

quote:
Originally posted by Steve X16XE
So this "4.36 CWP" is just a final drive and you'd not have to "Double Clutch" it?

once you've learned to match the revs then you can get away without the clutch, but it's meant to be a bit of an art to get the hang of it. Though you'll always have to double clutch to downshift (think thats right)

From watching this i think your right!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-EJIjkNb7Qs&mode=related&search=

Lot of time saved on shifts tho!

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1st Aug 07 at 17:22

Skilled stuff, shifting up and down with no clutch!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=azpqTZ6WeJk&mode=related&search=

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1st Aug 07 at 18:39

see my tutorial about final drives steve.

its a 4.18 one you want, from an f10.

Robin

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1st Aug 07 at 18:43

That's what I meant when I said 4.13

Dom

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1st Aug 07 at 19:27

quote:
Originally posted by Gary
Skilled stuff, shifting up and down with no clutch!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=azpqTZ6WeJk&mode=related&search=

i always thought you had to double clutch for downshifts, but obviously not

Good video though

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1st Aug 07 at 19:39

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hGleaXok7aQ&mode=related&search= how loud!

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