TheCam
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rough power on the below spec
'97 saxo vts
chipped
powerboost valve
gmc free power unit fitted - what is this??
stainlss steel exhaust straight through with 4 branch manifold
ported and polished throtle body
induction kit
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Scotty C
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Is that phase two? that make makes a big difference.
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Twiggy
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140
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Scotty C
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No chance, the only gain you're going to get is from the exhaust, and the chip is proberly from ebay.
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Eck
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I'd say at least 130 Greame.
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TheCam
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thanks folks
monsssta - phase 1 mate
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Dean B
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140 IMO. These engines see good gains from a filter, exhuast system and manifold.
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Scotty C
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Originally posted by Dean B
140 IMO. These engines see good gains from a filter, exhuast system and manifold.
Enclosed filter, yes. not a induction kit.
Phase one's have a EGR valve, phase two doesn't with a better head design, meaning more bhp - 128bhp odd
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Dean B
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Originally posted by Monster
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Originally posted by Dean B
140 IMO. These engines see good gains from a filter, exhuast system and manifold.
Enclosed filter, yes. not a induction kit.
Phase one's have a EGR valve, phase two doesn't with a better head design, meaning more bhp - 128bhp odd
Most people will agree he sould still see 140 bhp. As stated many times before. How many of these engine actually roll at 120bhp to start with. Very few there always above.
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Eck
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quote:
Originally posted by Monster
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Originally posted by Dean B
140 IMO. These engines see good gains from a filter, exhuast system and manifold.
Enclosed filter, yes. not a induction kit.
Phase one's have a EGR valve, phase two doesn't with a better head design, meaning more bhp - 128bhp odd
But you don't know if that is an enclosed or not Scott. Same with the superchip. Might be a chipped and remaped ECU? Need more info Greame
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TheCam
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i dont have any eck  it isnt an enclosed filter. I may be swapping my bike and some cash for it... 2 seconds I'll get a link
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Scotty C
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quote:
Originally posted by Dean B
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Originally posted by Monster
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Originally posted by Dean B
140 IMO. These engines see good gains from a filter, exhuast system and manifold.
Enclosed filter, yes. not a induction kit.
Phase one's have a EGR valve, phase two doesn't with a better head design, meaning more bhp - 128bhp odd
Most people will agree he sould still see 140 bhp. As stated many times before. How many of these engine actually roll at 120bhp to start with. Very few there always above.
So 20bhp odd from a manifold and full system? Yeah right....
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Scotty C
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Enclosed filter and your looking at a bhp increase, not a crappy induction kit.
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TheCam
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http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/310448.htm
this one here,
It is coming with standard interior and mirrors.
I will be putting standard bonnet back on, standard lights and vts wheels,
what do you lot think?
[Edited on 12-12-2007 by TheCam]
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craig_s
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i'll say 130 at the most.plus it's probably had a hard life.
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Dean B
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quote:
Originally posted by Monster
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Originally posted by Dean B
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Originally posted by Monster
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Originally posted by Dean B
140 IMO. These engines see good gains from a filter, exhuast system and manifold.
Enclosed filter, yes. not a induction kit.
Phase one's have a EGR valve, phase two doesn't with a better head design, meaning more bhp - 128bhp odd
Most people will agree he sould still see 140 bhp. As stated many times before. How many of these engine actually roll at 120bhp to start with. Very few there always above.
So 20bhp odd from a manifold and full system? Yeah right....
Can you read?
He states:
Filter, doesn't say if it's enclosed or open cone.
Chipped.
Them FOUR modifications may add 20 bhp on that engine. They get much better gains, just because you don't get that on a x16xe doesn't mean it can't be achivied a gti lump.
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Eck
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Tbh Greame that seems overpriced to me. NOS or not.
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Scotty C
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He says a open one. you'll need a remap to get any noticeable gain from a superchip..
I agree Phase two's will see 140bhp with enclosed filter, manifold and full system.
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Dean B
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And since when does an engine produce the exact amount of power the spec says. Like i said earlier, they always seem to put out more power than 120bhp. Therefore if its say 125bhp before the modification, its only a 15bhp gain from said modifications.
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Eck
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It's a bit vague to judge power tbh. But a Phase 1 VTS with 95k for £2,500? I'd walk away mate.
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TheCam
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Originally posted by Eckmcmann
Tbh Greame that seems overpriced to me. NOS or not.
I'm not paying that much mate 
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Dean B
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Originally posted by Eckmcmann
It's a bit vague to judge power tbh. But a Phase 1 VTS with 95k for £2,500? I'd walk away mate.
For sure. Phase 2's arnt expensive and imo look much nicer.
[Edited on 12-12-2007 by Dean B]
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craig_s
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they may produce that when they are new.but it's unlikely a 9-10 year old car will produce the quoted std bhp.
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Scotty C
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quote:
Originally posted by Dean B
And since when does an engine produce the exact amount of power the spec says. Like i said earlier, they always seem to put out more power than 120bhp. Therefore if its say 125bhp before the modification, its only a 15bhp gain from said modifications.
But were going from what Citreon state here...
Oh, bearing in mind it's 10 years old and got atleast 60k on the engine, it proberly isn't even making standard power (if it was standard)
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Dean B
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quote:
Originally posted by Monster
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Originally posted by Dean B
And since when does an engine produce the exact amount of power the spec says. Like i said earlier, they always seem to put out more power than 120bhp. Therefore if its say 125bhp before the modification, its only a 15bhp gain from said modifications.
But were going from what Citreon state here...
Oh, bearing in mind it's 10 years old and got atleast 60k on the engine, it proberly isn't even making standard power (if it was standard)
If it's been look after and serviced regularly. Age isn't an issue.
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