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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7312958.stm
 Give it a rest. He was asking for it. Everyone should follow Barnet's lead and make it so only the Captain can approach and ask the referee questions.
[Edited on 25-03-2008 by Nath]
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TBH he had been asking for it prior to that when he was going off on one, but in that situation where he had his hands behind his back and was smiling asking him 'Whats happening?' he didnt deserve the second yellow.
The game is close to becoming a complete and utter joke if players, in hugh matches like this, arent allowed to be pumped up like he was and calming ask the ref a simple question when one of his own players had been booked after being kicked to the ground.
The same would go if this was a United player that was sent off. Soon all players will have to stay on their feet, not make a single bit of contact with another player, and if they open their mouths they will be sent off.
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BigSte
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the bigger the club the bigger the whinges imo when it comes to hounding the referee.....
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What a joke, it was obvious he was going to get sent off. I can't believe Benitez is still defending him tbh.
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quote:
Originally posted by Cosmo
TBH he had been asking for it prior to that when he was going off on one, but in that situation where he had his hands behind his back and was smiling asking him 'Whats happening?' he didnt deserve the second yellow.
The game is close to becoming a complete and utter joke if players, in hugh matches like this, arent allowed to be pumped up like he was and calming ask the ref a simple question when one of his own players had been booked after being kicked to the ground.
The same would go if this was a United player that was sent off. Soon all players will have to stay on their feet, not make a single bit of contact with another player, and if they open their mouths they will be sent off.
When he first got booked, he said fuck off fuck off, and was constantly nagging at the ref in the match prior to his sending off
He had no reason to get involved, was nothing to do with him at all, if anyone should have gone over it was Gerrard, Torres got the booking for how he spoke to the ref, he then walked away, Masch had no reason to go over
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imo...
Referee's need to stand their ground instead of backing away every time anything happens. At the moment as soon as there's an incident like the Mascherano one, the referee just runs away, Bennett (i think it was) turned his back and ran off the pitch after he'd issued the yellow card, of course the players won't respect him.
If referee's stood their ground they'd probably get more respect, although having half a Chelsea team running at you might be a bit intimidating, If a player makes contact with you, warn them. If another does, show a yellow card.
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Mascherano so deserved to be sent off in that game I dunno why rafa still bitches about it
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imo...
Referee's need to stand their ground instead of backing away every time anything happens. At the moment as soon as there's an incident like the Mascherano one, the referee just runs away, Bennett (i think it was) turned his back and ran off the pitch after he'd issued the yellow card, of course the players won't respect him.
If referee's stood their ground they'd probably get more respect, although having half a Chelsea team running at you might be a bit intimidating, If a player makes contact with you, warn them. If another does, show a yellow card.
And come on fella it's not always Chelsea, United do it, Liverpool do it, Arsenal do it, West Ham do it they all do
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I always felt that our referees could learn a lot from Collina in Italy, he just seems to demand more respect from players. Our referees are so inconsistent and not one of them seems to have have earned any respect from the players.
I believe the clubs need to play a major role in controlling their players though. The managers need to stop defending the actions of some of their players, I just think Rafa is making himself look a tit by defending mascherano.
[Edited on 25-03-2008 by corsa-dan]
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quote:
Originally posted by Cosmo
The game is close to becoming a complete and utter joke if players, in hugh matches like this, arent allowed to be pumped up like he was and calming ask the ref a simple question when one of his own players had been booked after being kicked to the ground.
Players should be allowed to question a referees discision, but IMO this should only be done by the Captain, as in Rugby League.
But I do agree that by doing this you may lose a lot of passion from the game, but something has to be done about certain players, as they are acting out of order on the field. Its the FA's fault for no addressing the issue sooner.
Another thing that would improve the game is players showing respect for other players, instead of going down "hurt" every 5 mins, and diving around the place like gays, trying to get other players sent off. I was watching the Egg Chasing on Friday, Wigan vs Saints, one some Saints fella smased a Wigan player, totally took him out (in a fair way) could have easially broken a few ribs, did the Wigan guy complain? Did he fuck, he got up and winked at bloke, signalled a good tackle, and the game went on. How sport should be player that, with respect.
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mach was asked to move away by the referee he didnt he got booked simple as
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Originally posted by BigSte
the bigger the club the bigger the whinges imo when it comes to hounding the referee.....
Sheff United must be a fucking huge club then 
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mach was asked to move away by the referee he didnt he got booked simple as
The guy asked TWICE 'Whats Happening'...the ref didnt have a chance to tell him to go away before he showed the yellow he already had in his hand
Dont get me wrong, Im not saying the was Masch was acting PRIOR to this wasnt worthy of a red card, as his outburst after his first yellow was fairly bad (although no worse than you see Rooney do most games). But to book him for the calm way he asked that time was ridiculous.
And as Andy Gray said in his SS column...in the second half a United player (who he wouldnt name) was swearing his head off towards the ref and nothing was done about it. Now Im not saying it was United cheating as it wasnt, its the sorry standard of consistency from the ref.
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fighting off alonso to get to the referee didnt look calm to me
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fighting off alonso to get to the referee didnt look calm to me
Fighting off...its like agame of chinese whispers
Watch it back, he pushes past Alonso, fine thats nothing to the ref yet not even a comment. Then he stands smiling with his hands behind his back and asks 'Whats Happening'. Its clear as day what he is saying, just those two words twice. And then he is booked again.
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so he pushed alonso out the way! why would you do that just to ask whats happening?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YQSmkB5XWg
59 seconds referee asks him to move he didnt yellow card
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Im not saying he didnt deserve it, read above before replying again will you.
What I am saying is that in that situation where he calmly asked he shouldnt of been shown the yellow - no matter how he had acted before.
If the ref had shown a yellow when he was swearing his head off - fine. If Masch had gone towards the ref swearing his head off - fine. But not in that situation.
Stopping a player full of passion asking a simple question as to why his teammate had been booked when he had been kicked to the floor is not an improvement to the game. It turns what makes English football so great - its passion from players and fans - into an emotionless pile of shite.
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Torres got booked for whatever he said, that was fairly obvious, he also did the hand signal saying someone was talking < - < - < which clearly got him booked, anyone could see it, the thing that rafa should consider, is that Masch was all over the ref all match, and he had absoltuely no reason to go over to the ref, he did say whats happening, but he said a few more words to, i have no idea what they were so we cannot comment
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Originally posted by strick206
Torres got booked for whatever he said, that was fairly obvious, he also did the hand signal saying someone was talking < - < - < which clearly got him booked, anyone could see it, the thing that rafa should consider, is that Masch was all over the ref all match, and he had absoltuely no reason to go over to the ref, he did say whats happening, but he said a few more words to, i have no idea what they were so we cannot comment
So Torres got booked for doing a common Spanish gesture, as much as a shrug of the shoulders or putting your hands out in surprise is to us? He certainly didnt say anything bad to him in English, as he cant answer questions yet, let alone know how to mouth off at a ref
And Masch had every right to be there, this is whats annoying me. If he has no right to calmly as the ref twice whats happening then we may aswell just remove any passion from football....let alone from a United vs Liverpool game.
And again for those who cant read or forget easily...I have no gripe against the actual sending off in general as he WAS mouthing off earlier in the game. But I do for the booking when he was doing something all players should be allowed to do.
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Originally posted by Cosmo
So Torres got booked for doing a common Spanish gesture, as much as a shrug of the shoulders or putting your hands out in surprise is to us? He certainly didnt say anything bad to him in English, as he cant answer questions yet, let alone know how to mouth off at a ref
The only thing with that is, that it happens to other players too, Anderson got booked earlier in the season when he was fouled, as he got up and did the hand signal for book him, the player that fouled him, now if the language wasn't a problem, that would never have happened, as it was no different to gerrard saying send him off to the ref this season
That's where the language barrier comes into it
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Originally posted by Cosmo
If the ref had shown a yellow when he was swearing his head off - fine. If Masch had gone towards the ref swearing his head off - fine. But not in that situation.
Stopping a player full of passion asking a simple question as to why his teammate had been booked when he had been kicked to the floor is not an improvement to the game. It turns what makes English football so great - its passion from players and fans - into an emotionless pile of shite.
theres a difference between being passionate and going over the top, he had it coming to him from the start, see below...
Here is Mascherano’s timetable of doom.
10 MINS: DESPITE a blatant late tackle on United star Paul Scholes, Mascherano can clearly be seen screaming “F*** off, f*** off”. Bennett issues him with a yellow card. The correct decision.
11 MINS: SMARTING over the booking, the Argie can again be seen saying “F*** off, f*** off” prompting Bennett to respond by putting his finger to his lips and telling the star to be quiet.
15 MINS: MASCHERANO then calls for Bennett to book Anderson for an innocuous trip on Steven Gerrard by pulling an imaginary card from his pocket. He is beginning to tread very thin ice and pushing his luck.
23 MINS: NOW the Argie star gives away a free-kick for taking out Ryan Giggs by the touchline. But then he looks towards the linesman and points to his eyes — as if to suggest: You need glasses.
36 MINS: IN Bennett’s face again, whingeing and complaining even though Liverpool are given a free-kick.
38 MINS: COMPLAINS despite his foul on Ronaldo and five minutes later is sent off as he disputes Torres caution.
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The only thing with that is, that it happens to other players too, Anderson got booked earlier in the season when he was fouled, as he got up and did the hand signal for book him, the player that fouled him, now if the language wasn't a problem, that would never have happened, as it was no different to gerrard saying send him off to the ref this season
That's where the language barrier comes into it
So him bringing his hand up to his face in Spanish means book him FPMSL
Its a sign of bemusment, much like if we put our hands out to each side in shock/wonder. Thats why you see Rafa do it the moment after Masch gets his second yellow - he wasnt indicating for a yellow to be showed to the ref...he was shocked.
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theres a difference between being passionate and going over the top, he had it coming to him from the start, see below...
Here is Mascherano’s timetable of doom.
10 MINS: DESPITE a blatant late tackle on United star Paul Scholes, Mascherano can clearly be seen screaming “F*** off, f*** off”. Bennett issues him with a yellow card. The correct decision.
11 MINS: SMARTING over the booking, the Argie can again be seen saying “F*** off, f*** off” prompting Bennett to respond by putting his finger to his lips and telling the star to be quiet.
15 MINS: MASCHERANO then calls for Bennett to book Anderson for an innocuous trip on Steven Gerrard by pulling an imaginary card from his pocket. He is beginning to tread very thin ice and pushing his luck.
23 MINS: NOW the Argie star gives away a free-kick for taking out Ryan Giggs by the touchline. But then he looks towards the linesman and points to his eyes — as if to suggest: You need glasses.
36 MINS: IN Bennett’s face again, whingeing and complaining even though Liverpool are given a free-kick.
38 MINS: COMPLAINS despite his foul on Ronaldo and five minutes later is sent off as he disputes Torres caution.
You are obviously a member of some United forum
Once again, read what I put BEFORE posting next time, or atleast before replying to me with a comment I have already answered.
I AM NOT SAYING HE DIDNT DESERVE HIS RED CARD. I am saying he should not of been booked for the second time when he was. Yes book him on minutes (whatever you've copied and pasted up there) when he is swearing his head off, but you dont book him when he actually acts how a player asking the ref a question should.
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Do you think its possble the ref had, had enough of his constant fouling/abusive languge/bickering with the officials, thats why he issued the yellow.
Remember, you can get booked for aculmation of offences, rather just that particular one. Maybe thats why he booked him, and seems to me, after having seen the highlights again, thats what he did.
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