chris_uk
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Cubic capacity (cc): 1998
Compression ratio: 8.80:1
Valve gear: Double overhead camshafts with four valves per cylinder - 16 in total.
Max. power (bhp): 197 at 5400 rpm
Max. torque (lb.ft): 184 at 1950 rpm
these are the figures for the Z20LET that appear in the VX220.. can someone please confirm that these are flywheel figures.
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Doug
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Yes I can confirm that.
But I have no solid proof
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Mike
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I remember Adam_B's running 190something at the fly last year, so yeah that'll be fly 
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John
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Are they idiots still arguing with you?
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chris_uk
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quote:
Originally posted by John
Are they idiots still arguing with you?
mate, you have no idea.. they are calling me a thick twat now.. so im in this to prove them wrong..
i could post my last conversation but i wouldnt want to bore anyone.
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sand-eel
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yes flywheel NOT wheel
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chris_uk
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this basically all started over his sisters astra.
it measured 253ish bhp on the RR'd where mine read 143 bearing in mind mine is standard which should be 145ish..
so i says to the lad, 199 standard from factory.. yea.. at fly
then with stage 3 courtenays takes it to 265 - 270 (he sasy apparently wheels)
so from 199bhp fly to 270 bhp wheels..
does anyone on here know or work for courtenays? so i can prove this twat wrong once and for all.... i promise ill post the convo..
failing that ill have to get recordings from courtenays saying its at fly then send him it.
[Edited on 02-06-2008 by chris_uk]
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quote:
Originally posted by chris_uk
quote:
Originally posted by John
Are they idiots still arguing with you?
mate, you have no idea.. they are calling me a thick twat now.. so im in this to prove them wrong..
i could post my last conversation but i wouldnt want to bore anyone.
Quick question, on the graphs you got, does it have both power and torque curves?
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chris_uk
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Hitech RR'd
RS Tuning (Dyno Dynamics)
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chris_uk
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he seems to think that when vaux release a car they state the wheel bhp not the fly..
i need something to prove him wrong..
basically something to say the Z20LET from the Astra Coupe 2.0 Turbo 2002 -2005 model is 199 standard fly..
i said to him  get this... the vx220 turbo is 197 standard.. and hes like, but its not the same engine. ist got different length exhaust pipes and different length intake pipes..
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Rob B
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He's wrong.
Show him this thread.
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John
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Get him on here so we can all laugh at him for being an EPIC IDIOT
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chris_uk
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wont prove anything, he will think your all a bunch of twats that dont know fuck all about anything..
im going to post the convo i just had iwth him.. to give you all a better understanding...
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
you really are a dick chris
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
we have it on paper from courtenay 268 or something like that AT THE WHEELS stated at the bottom
Chris says:
266 from that engine at the wheels.. even with your stuff i doubt it
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
how can u doubt that ?!?!
Chris says:
that would mean 308 at the fly
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
stage 3 courtenay
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
omg chris .. do your reasearch on the z20let befour u say i know nothing !!
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
i know more about the z20let .. than u ever will !!
Chris says:
well im just basing your figures at 15% loss
Chris says:
mate you obviously have no clue otherwise you would see why i am arguing with you
Chris says:
im not going into details about the z20 let.
Chris says:
your right i dont know alot of it im just taking the figures you give me as correct
Chris says:
and courtney dont measure from the wheels
Chris says:
on there site they give fly power
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
yeh they do .. but then they convert it to the wheel power as they print it !!!!!!
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
why dont u go thier and have yours donw
Chris says:
not what they got on the astra H turbo
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
is my sisters the fucking astra H ... NO
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
ur pissing me off now
Chris says:
no its not u retard
Chris says:
ist a G
Chris says:
she said so herself. the astra H is the VXR ibe
Chris says:
on
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
yeh it is
Chris says:
but thats not what im saying..
Chris says:
you obviously cant hold an argument if you cant take it
Chris says:
why dont you jsut sit and listen what im saying and trying to put across instead of just dismissing it
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
no .. i have more solid profe than you do .. and you wont even take what im saying into consideraton
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
i know exactly what your saying ..BUT ITS WRONG
Chris says:
the only proof you have is mick saying yea its at the wheels
Chris says:
and a graph from court's that i havent seen so dont even know if your telling the truth on that.
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
and courtenay
Chris says:
you sure 100% your sisters engine is the Z20LET?
Chris says:
not the LEH...
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
its the z20let .. the z20leh is the VXR one
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
same engine .... diffrent internals
Chris says:
you said its courtenay stage 3 correct?
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
yes
Chris says:
copied direct from their site.
stage 3 = Increases up to 265 - 270 bhp
Chris says:
correct?
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
yeh ....
Chris says:
right, well the Z20 LET produces 197bhp at the flywheel from standard.
Chris says:
thats in the vaux magazine tech spec.
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
ring courtenay .. they will say ( utter bull shit )
Chris says:
correct?
Chris says:
hear me out before you throw that in
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
199 BHP at the wheels .. STANDERD
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
proved by courtenay
Chris says:
mate, the Z20LET is in the vx220 turbo and its 197bhp at the fly.. i can show you the tech sheet from vaux
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
we are not talking about the VX200
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
220
Chris says:
its the same engine
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
we are talkig about the astra
Chris says:
identical engine in standard form.. give or take 1 or 2 bhp
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
.. so are the exhaust leanghts the same ???
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
NO
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
are the air pipes the same .. NO
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
will the gearbox be the same ... NO
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
diffrent vaiables
Chris says:
the gearbox has nothing to do with power
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
if its soo apparent at the fly wheel ... of course it does
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
has to go through the wheels and box to read the fly wheel !!
Chris says:
no m8 i think thats where you are misunderstanding the whole thing
Chris says:
is your sisters the 2.0 coupe turbo?
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
you know what .. i know whats rite and printed on black and white on a bit of paper that we will take to PV .. that what i have been saying all along is correct. im not standing for thei arguing anymore .. especially on my birthday !!!
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
now fucking let it drop you prick
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
GOODBUY !!
Chris says:
dont be immature
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Dave A
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Vauxhall have only ever quoted fly figures, ever since they started quoting figures in their spec lists.
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Adam_B
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fucking hell Chris let it go already mate
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Steve X16XE
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kids
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chris_uk
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave A
Vauxhall have only ever quoted fly figures, ever since they started quoting figures in their spec lists.
can we prove it tho?
im going to ring courtenay tomorrow, ask them record it and send the cunt it.
then im going to ring hitech.. again.. record it.. and get mick to admit its a fly. then send the cunt that aswell....
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quote:
Originally posted by Adam_B
fucking hell Chris let it go already mate
if you know something is 100% correct and they are calling you a thick cunt who knows nothing would you not prove yourself correct?
i HATE being called thick... when i know im not.. ill do what i need to to prove im correct.
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quote:
Originally posted by chris_uk
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
if its soo apparent at the fly wheel ... of course it does
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
has to go through the wheels and box to read the fly wheel !!
I think that says it all tbh 
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John
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Find a car with an 270 at the wheels and offer him a small race, then laugh at him for a car with the same power destroying it.
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quote:
Originally posted by chris_uk
quote:
Originally posted by Adam_B
fucking hell Chris let it go already mate
if you know something is 100% correct and they are calling you a thick cunt who knows nothing would you not prove yourself correct?
i HATE being called thick... when i know im not.. ill do what i need to to prove im correct.
I get it all the time at work, 90% of mechanics have this attitude
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chris_uk
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just winds me up.. hes got everyone thinking im a silly twat who knows fuck all..
all because i said i think it might be at the fly not the wheels
silly bastid!
[Edited on 02-06-2008 by chris_uk]
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Rob B
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OH MY DAYS, that would piss me off.
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Mike
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quote:
Originally posted by chris_uk
[c=4]< > < > VauxOnline.co.uk
yeh they do .. but then they convert it to the wheel power as they print it !!!!!!
Just spotted this quote from him, that is utter bollocks, to convert it to wheel power would mean that they have measured the power from the fly. That can only be done on an engine dyno not a rolling road. Rolling road measures at the wheels and converts to fly before they print it, as you know but obviously this fool's struggling with it
Feel free to add that to try and get the facts through his obviously rather thick skull 
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chris_uk
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im going to point him to this thread.
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