deano87
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Registered: 21st Oct 06
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Bloody Government, they've got it all wrong.
All this StopStart technology found on nearly every manufacturers cars, plus special tyres on the likes of Bluemotions and other ridiculous emission saving stuff is a waste of time.
It supposedly lowers the emissions which puts it into a lower tax bracket. Great for low to no road tax, lower tax for company car drivers etc.
But what happens when people turn the StopStart off (as dad has in the 120d - hardly ever works anyway)? Or replace the tyres on their Bluemotion with budget rubbish which cause loads of friction? Emissions go up yet tax relief etc stays the same. Or if some boy racer Halfords special adds a great big bodykit to his mums Bluemotion thus ruining the aerodynamics they improved.
Surely also all this StopStart if actually used is going to increase wear on the battery, alternator and starter motor - more shit going to landfill and not lasting as long.
A stupid ploy by car manufacturers and the Government has fallen for it imho. They should tax on engine capacity or something.
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Nick-S
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Does it realy bother you that much deano? 
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Kurt
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Registered: 23rd Oct 05
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Didnt the old car tax scheme used to be by Capacity?
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Nic Barnes
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who cares? i drive massive fuel consuming cars and fuckin enjoy every second of destroying the environment. fuck em.
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antnee
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Originally posted by Kurt
Didnt the old car tax scheme used to be by Capacity?
yup.
Im sure I read/heard a while ago about maggie thatcher was looking into lean burn technology when she was in power, which would of been a lot better than most of the stuff we have currently
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Daniel_Corsa
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Its handy at times the stop start but I knock it off any of my cars when in traffic as forever stopping and starting.
Not bad if your stopping every 5mins or so but every 20seconds when moving forward in traffic is an utter pain.
But tbh I don't really give a fuck, it obviously keeps tax emissions down therefore is a bonus surely?!
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Ben G
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same could be said about kurts point.
pay tax for a 2.0 turbo, mod it to 500bhp, still pay the same tax yet i'm guessing emissions goes through the roof
just one of those things, i wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
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Andrew
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I'm all for saving money me 
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ed
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Deal with it.
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deano87
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I'm not losing any sleep over it and it doesn't bother me. I just think the Government has completely lost the plot in taxing based on emissions - all cause damage to the roads, require road maintenance.
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Originally posted by Daniel_Corsa
But tbh I don't really give a fuck, it obviously keeps tax emissions down therefore is a bonus surely?!
The point I'm making is there is no real evidence, imho, if it kept emissions down - people turn it off and the car is just as damaging as one without the StopStart.
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Nic Barnes
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what are your plans to stop cows farting which is destroying the atmoshpere or whatever the thing is called that i dont care about. there are more cows than cars. are you going to tax their trumps?
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deano87
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Should do tbh. Or just make more burgers.
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Nic Barnes
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making burgers also damages the environment. infact you typing on the net is doing that also. so who cares about eco cars?
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Ben G
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Registered: 12th Jan 07
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another point for you i read today.
all these foreign lorries that come over, use our roads, pollute our country, do 600 million miles every year on our roads yet on average only fill up 10 litres of fuel on british soil.
they fill up their tanks to the brim on the continent where the fuel is cheaper then drive over here and use it all up.
so they basically get to drive on our roads and spend about £11 for 10 litres of fuel to do so.
madness.
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John
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quote:
Originally posted by deano87
Should do tbh. Or just make more burgers.
Making more burgers means you need more cows, who then fart more, you've not put much thought into this.
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Andrew
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Bastards 
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Nic Barnes
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the environment is fucked. there is nothing anyone can do. it will last our lifetime and probably many many many many many many more hundreds of years. we will be dead, so might aswell just carry on.
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deano87
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quote:
Originally posted by John
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Originally posted by deano87
Should do tbh. Or just make more burgers.
Making more burgers means you need more cows, who then fart more, you've not put much thought into this.
I meant to wipe out existing cows that pollute
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Daniel_Corsa
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Well I've had a bluemotion Golf and Passat on demo for a few nights and both have returned less mpg than my Golf GT TDi.
Something for you to get upset and worried about Deano.
For the owner of these "eco" cars they are a huge bonus as they are so darn cheap on company car tax which is the main aim IMO, having just put out a new company car policy at work the savings are huge on the likes of the BMW efficent dynamics and VW bluemotion stuff.
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deano87
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Oh, I couldn't agree me that they're a great idea. But they're not such a 'guaranteed' source of lower emissions to the ability to override and modify the vehicle.
That's all I meant - they're rewarding for something which isn't a dead cert.
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Graham88
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I don't see how they put less wear and tear on the roads aswell, so they pay £35 I pay £425, still 4 tyres on the fucking road!!
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ed
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Car tax is based on emissions though.
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Ian
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It's not based on emissions.
Ste emits more pollution out of his 1.3 diesel Corsa than I do out oy my 2.0 Astra simply because he does more miles than me.
If it were based on emissions, I wouldn't be paying over 10 times the road tax that he is.
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DaveB
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I've got a 4 month old Golf Mk6 bluemotion as a company car.
Costs me around £40 a month in tax and gets great economy - 50mpg around town at 65mpg+ on motorway runs (which is 650miles to £50)
My economy was sub 45mpg before it was 'run in' - it's now got 8,000miles on it and the economy is now almost at book figures 
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Daimo B
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Im all for hippy green cars.
Less petrol used on those that don't care, means more petrol available for those of us that do.
(thinking 20-30 years down the line )
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