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Andy GSi

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Registered: 24th Mar 02
Location: Shropshire, Drives 2.0l 16v Corsa
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26th Mar 03 at 20:55

just want to know how much work is there to change the 1.4 16v into a 1.6 16v??? and how much r u looking at for a 1.6 16v engine!!!

cheers!

RickV6

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26th Mar 03 at 21:31

Sraight swop just need bigger brakes, used 1600 bout £500 seen new ones for £1000 on www.motorsportdirect.co.uk prob sold em by now tho

Andy GSi

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26th Mar 03 at 23:30

cheers mate!

widget

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27th Mar 03 at 00:22

gearbox fits but the 1.6 one has a better ratio for acceleration

Kris TD

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Registered: 25th Mar 02
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27th Mar 03 at 09:10

1600 also has thicker front antirole bar.

3CorsaMeal

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27th Mar 03 at 09:52

i got quoted £1k for everything complete!

Andy GSi

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27th Mar 03 at 10:13

quote:
Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
i got quoted £1k for everything complete!

what does that include???

Daimo B

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27th Mar 03 at 10:19

Bottom end on the X14 and X16 engine are different, so u can either buy a new bottom end (bout £600) or buy a 2nd hand engine for about £400, or buy a brand new one for about £900 from Vauxhall.

It is a straight swap for the engines.

Lee Mitchell can do this conversion for you for about £250 i think.

Andy GSi

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Registered: 24th Mar 02
Location: Shropshire, Drives 2.0l 16v Corsa
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27th Mar 03 at 10:31

where abouts is Lee Mitchell from??? £900 for a new engine, DEAD cheap

u sure???

Daimo B

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27th Mar 03 at 11:13

Thats the C16XE engine (109bhp, plastic inlet, early GSi lump). Yeah. Donna's engines, well, stripped completly at the mo (see my site under D5NNA for pics) so we had to look at all the possibilities. THat may be with a staff discount though!

Lee Mitchell is in Kent.

Andy GSi

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Location: Shropshire, Drives 2.0l 16v Corsa
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27th Mar 03 at 12:06

i'm thinking about the C16XE engine, then turbo charging it later on!!! BUT turbo charging it costs £££ BIG TIME, so might leave it

[Edited on 27-03-2003 by andysri]

Daimo B

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27th Mar 03 at 12:08

Turbo isn't worth it on these engines. Much better to TB them. Sounds much better too :-)

Cybermonkey

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27th Mar 03 at 12:09

And it will be un-reliable.

Ashton306TD

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27th Mar 03 at 13:06

? unreliable 2 turbo charge it? an does TB mean turbo boost??? plz explain

Ryan L

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27th Mar 03 at 13:08

throttle bodies i believe

Daimo B

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27th Mar 03 at 13:11

Yeah, Turobs on the 16v engines are a no no unless your prepared to spend literally thousands and thousands of ££ on them. They make the engine very un realiable.

TB = Throttle Bodies

Ryan L

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27th Mar 03 at 13:12

how do throttle bodies work anyway Daimo B

Daimo B

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27th Mar 03 at 14:41

TB are basically 4 small trumpets that direct air straight into the cyclinder head. It removes all the induction system (i.e airbox, and on the 16v, the 4 metal manifolds). Air can flow staight into the head giving the best power possible. Then you can flow the TB ports to match the head ports exactly so the air going into the engine is as smooth as possible.
TB Engine, the Throttle bodies are them small silver things at the back of the engine. This is Andy Hamiltons 220bhp 1.6 16v Corsa

This is my engine a few years ago. You can see (excluding the purple engine cover) how different it is. The air goes through the induction kit, down below the grey metal bits and accross to the passanger side of the car, up, into the front of that metal manifold, to the back, down, and then goes back into the engine. About 1.2metres worth of travel.

RickV6

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27th Mar 03 at 19:38

quote:
Originally posted by Daimo B
Bottom end on the X14 and X16 engine are different, so u can either buy a new bottom end (bout £600) or buy a 2nd hand engine for about £400, or buy a brand new one for about £900 from Vauxhall.

It is a straight swap for the engines.

Lee Mitchell can do this conversion for you for about £250 i think.

Heads are different aswell 1600 has larger ports 1400 had to be kept small to retain torque levels

ainsley_brader

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27th Mar 03 at 19:45

quote:
Originally posted by RickV6

quote:
Originally posted by Daimo B
Bottom end on the X14 and X16 engine are different, so u can either buy a new bottom end (bout £600) or buy a 2nd hand engine for about £400, or buy a brand new one for about £900 from Vauxhall.

It is a straight swap for the engines.

Lee Mitchell can do this conversion for you for about £250 i think.

Heads are different aswell 1600 has larger ports 1400 had to be kept small to retain torque levels

Only the c16xe head is different the x16/14xe heads are identical parts on EPC.

Ains

Daimo B

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27th Mar 03 at 23:56

Aye, only the C16 is different. I know the X14 n X16 their the same cos i spent 1 month researching into changed my 1.4 into a 1.6!

Part numbers on the heads are the same!

SetH

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28th Mar 03 at 00:09

hmmm good thread this, a chance to get away from the shite in general chat tonite

daimo whats the silver header tank on andys car where the airbox used to be? im guessing its coolant as i can no longer see the original coolant tank.

Daimo B

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28th Mar 03 at 12:51

Yeah geez. its the coolent tank. It had to be re-located, dunno why. Lot of work thoug cos the pipes have to go from the passanger side of the rad, accross the front of the engine, and into the coolent bottle,

Andy

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28th Mar 03 at 19:06

quote:
Originally posted by Daimo B
Yeah geez. its the coolent tank. It had to be re-located, dunno why. Lot of work thoug cos the pipes have to go from the passanger side of the rad, accross the front of the engine, and into the coolent bottle,

Coolant tank has to be moved to make space around the RHS air horn. If it was still there, it would impede air flow. But when T499's finally back together, my coolant tank will be sitting in another different place!

5xi

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28th Mar 03 at 21:42

where does then airflow come from when your running TBs?

i mean is air sucked straight through the trumpets?

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