deano87
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I'm a victim of the cold weather it seems.
Garage hasn't got to the root cause of the problem, but the car suddenly cut out on Monday morning in -10 temperatures. Couldn't start it again, as if the battery was dead.
It's either 1 of 2 issues. Head gasket failure or the VVT cocked something up and put the timing out as the belt hasn't slipped. Luckily, if you can call it lucky, I was barely doing 2krpm. I thought I had stalled I was going that slow. The garage has said there is no compression on 2 of the cylinders.
So if the head gasket is replaced or the pistons/cylinders have to be rebuilt, how reliable is an engine after this is done? I guess if it's done properly it should be just like new...
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Fad
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Just buy a running engine if it comes down to it.
Headgasket could have gone due to say frozen coolant and the engine running with no coolant.
second scenario.....not likely I reckon?
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deano87
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Coolant wasn't frozen even after sitting waiting for the AA after 2 hours. Antifreeze level was fine. I had driven for about 15 minutes before then.
EML threw up Camshaft Position Sensor. They replaced that to no avail so the only thing remaining could really be the timing. If that isn't out and the internals are fine then we're stumped.
EDIT: But as said 2 cylinders have little or no compression.
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jay26
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sounds like the timing has jumped and bent valves on the two cylinders that have no compression
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Jambo
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deano87
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quote:
Originally posted by jay26
sounds like the timing has jumped and bent valves on the two cylinders that have no compression
Brilliant. I wouldn't mind if I was giving it the beans having some fun.
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Joe
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What exactly happened when it cut, then how many times did you try to start it, did it turn over etc?
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corsadonk
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Your Fiat is the problem
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Warren G
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wouldnt of thought head gasket
prob bent valves, oh and that is not a engine rebuild
it wont change a thing once fixed :/
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AK
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did you have any antifreeze in your 'coolant' water?
Rebuild - if the job is done correctly and all tolerances are measured, everything is cleaned etc it should be as new!
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deano87
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quote:
Originally posted by Joe
What exactly happened when it cut, then how many times did you try to start it, did it turn over etc?
It literally just cut out. As said I thought I had stalled. Managed to push out the way slightly so traffic could get by the tried a restart with foot on the throttle and it turned over (as in did everything normal except fire up) but nothing.
Did the same for the AA man although it ran oddly with no power for about 5 seconds because he had the balls to keep turning it over.
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deano87
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quote:
Originally posted by AK
did you have any antifreeze in your 'coolant' water?
Garage checked all that. Everything fine. It had started no problems and ran fine for 20 minutes prior.
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deano87
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Bit of an update for anyone that cares.
Timing definitely out an no compression on cylinders 2 and 3. However no evidence from cambelt that it slipped. It's as tight as it should be and no teeth are missing. Garage suspects the the VVT interfered. Luckily I was going so slow that when the engine cut out I thought I had stalled.
Garage was going to reset the complicated timing and seeing if it run. If it runs happy days. If not and it misfires. Ooopsie head off and ££££.
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AndyKent
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Bad times. How old is the car again?
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Warren G
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no compression, resetting timing wont fix it
get a bore scope in there and look?
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deano87
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Not sure if it makes a difference but they keep telling me low compression, not no compression. Think they've had a camera. Not sure on outcome.
Andy - 07 plate. Out of warranty.
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MarkSport
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Haven't the fiat engines got that system where it doesn't bend valves? I know the earlier punto's did
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deano87
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Not sure if it makes a difference but they keep telling me low compression, not no compression. Think they've had a camera. Not sure on outcome.
Andy - 07 plate. Out of warranty.
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Warren G
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low compression is different...
but how low?
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deano87
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No idea. I barely know what they're going on about when they talk to me. All I know is they're trying to do everything they can before taking off the head.
What is typically the cause between no compression and low compression?
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John
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Is this a Bosch service centre it's at?
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deano87
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No. Garage that has been around sometime with good reputation. So called MG Rover and Vaux specialists although they don't promote this as if it's all they do.
I'm confident in their ability. Just they don't see many Fiats. As good a place as any. Was the closest to where I broken down also.
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deano87
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Further update.
It was low, not no compression. They have reset the timing and the compression immediately rose. The problem now is that it idles, but when the accelerator is pressed, it cuts out.
It is now being recovered to Fiat, as they have been liaising all the time, and they believe it will just need a reset on the Fiat tech computer.
Interestingly, Fiat in MK have said that they had another one in the other day with very similar symptoms. Timing jumped, but no reason why and no damage.
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deano87
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Update.
Nothing to do with timing, although a few questions unanswered.
Head has come off at Fiat. Burnt out valves. Detonation/pinking seems to be the cause. So the ticking noise I heard on acceleration in the summer due to open windows and not heard since 'cause of the cold looks like the problem.
£1015 bill from Fiat only saving grace is that includes oil, filter, plugs, cambelt & water pump which was due anyway, sort of.
gutted to say the least - reason why I bought a newer, car was to prevent these problems. Not even 4 years old yet.
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XE Col
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It's a FIAT.
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