Jed D
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2.2's are shite, so i heard 
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3CorsaMeal
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probably breaks most outings, thats the theme with high powered none supercars.
as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike
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Jed D
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still the worlds fastest 4 pot engine, and still on a standard crank
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AndyCorsaSport
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You're a standard crank.
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Jed D
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 says the pug man
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Corsa_Sport21
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You could have at least posted a standard engine in standard guise to back up your point.
As it is, your point couldn't be any more irrelevant.
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Jed D
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ok
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Robin
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That's a FWD car so it is not the worlds fastest 4 pot. Chris Rado/World Racing's Scion is the worlds fastest FWD car and is a 4 pot. The fastest 4 pot is a Mitsubishi Eclipse.
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3CorsaMeal
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My car is pretty fast. Scares me sometimes.
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AndyCorsaSport
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Originally posted by Jed D
says the pug man
I don't have a pug.
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SVM 286
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What the HELL, is, or was, that^^^ ?
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SVM 286
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Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike
I shall attempt to remember this and use it as often as possible.
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davegreen
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almost standard engine!
their like any other engine, poor maintenance and operation will cause faults. if they where that bad gm wouldn't keep using them. this family of engines has been used longer than the xev/zlet/r family which has now been dropped for the all ally lump 2.0 turbo in the latest astra's and insignia's.
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Jed D
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the future engine of choice if your wanting to go FAST...
forget about your Clet's
looks up the Chevrolet cobalt's (aka the mk4 astra coupe as we know it) and look what the yanks do with these engines...
the future 
charged one
[Edited on 04-09-2013 by Jed D]
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Corsa_Sport21
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Its not the engine of choice sadly and won't be in the future. If anything, it will be big power Saab engine's.
People have been supercharging the Z22 for years, its not going to all of a sudden take off.
Its not a cheap bolt on conversion.
The Chevrolet Cobalt SS isn't the Mk4 Coupe as we know it. Nothing like it actually.
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davegreen
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super chargers can be had and fitted for around 2k these days. its the same engine as used in saabs in recent years as a turbo and producing into the 600bhp band. also been used for many years in racing circles, favoured over the zlet engine.
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IvIarkgraham
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just googled chevrolet cobalt
cant believe how identical they are
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Ronson
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Originally posted by Corsa_Sport21
Its not the engine of choice sadly and won't be in the future. If anything, it will be big power Saab engine's.
B204 and B234 have the same gearbox bolt pattern as a C20XE/LET, B204 also uses the same injectors as the LET, you may be surprised to know they're both owned by GM and use pretty much the same engines.
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People have been supercharging the Z22 for years, its not going to all of a sudden take off.
It already has taken off, mainly in the states but they're getting built over here now too 
Its not a cheap bolt on conversion.
Cheaper than building a 20XE/LET of the same power.
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The Chevrolet Cobalt SS isn't the Mk4 Coupe as we know it. Nothing like it actually.
Yes it is, there are visual differences obviously but they are the same underneath, just like the Saab 93 and 95 is based on a Vectra.
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Corsa_Sport21
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Yes but my point being it will be the Saab variant that's used in turbocharged form. As in ripped out the Saab, and bolted into a Vauxhall.
They have been building them over here for years too. Not big power on the same scale as the LET etc. Even over on a UK forum solely made for Z22 info etc, there isn't a mega amount of charged 2.2s. Link me up to some big build 2.2s if you get a minute.
What power does a basic bolt on charged 2.2 make?? Around 210-220bhp?? An LET with a chip set make's more than that so pound for pound, no, its not cheaper.
Fair play, never knew it was the same platform.
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Ronson
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Originally posted by Corsa_Sport21
Yes but my point being it will be the Saab variant that's used in turbocharged form. As in ripped out the Saab, and bolted into a Vauxhall.
Possibly yeah, the Saab engine is definitely a popular choice but in my opinion its only the popular choice because LET's got tired and someone fancied a change built one shared it on a forum/word got round and people started copying just like it did with XE/LET Nova's all them years ago.
Give it a few years and the Z22 will be the new LET when people realise just how far they can go with mostly standard internals (although I do beleive the B204 can go to 550BHP on standard pistons but I've never put this to the test)
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They have been building them over here for years too. Not big power on the same scale as the LET etc. Even over on a UK forum solely made for Z22 info etc, there isn't a mega amount of charged 2.2s. Link me up to some big build 2.2s if you get a minute.
People are very secretive these days when they're spending a lot of money on an engine so there are no build threads that I know of for big power UK z22's.
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What power does a basic bolt on charged 2.2 make?? Around 210-220bhp?? An LET with a chip set make's more than that so pound for pound, no, its not cheaper.
You're talking about a standard engine vs a one with an upgrade. I think the book figure is 220 for a Z22. A standard let is, for arguments sake lets say 205 as I've heard people say everything from 200-210, you put that chip set on it and say it makes 230, you put a chip set on the Z22 and in theory as it started with more power the chip set would take it past the power of the LET with the same type of chip set.
[Edited on 05-09-2013 by Ronson]
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Corsa_Sport21
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My point about the "cheap bolt on conversion" comment is in relation to Jed saying how easy they are to supercharge. Yeah, its easy, parts are readily available, but they will cost you around £2k. Throw that £2k at an LET and you will be well over 300bhp. So no, its not cheaper to charge a Z22 and have more power than an LET.
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Ronson
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When you put it like that I see your point on.
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davegreen
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the 2L turbo version of this engine from the astra GTC can be had for around 2.5k now and in standard form its 280bhp.
could well be the future engine of choice for conversions and big Vauxhall 4cylinder power????
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Sean
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I've just got a 2.2 Sri vectra and it seems so slow!
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davegreen
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Originally posted by Sean
I've just got a 2.2 Sri vectra and it seems so slow!
mine was ok as standard, they don't like 95ron fuel, better mpg's and driveability on 99. few simple mods like removing the pre cat and a panel filter help to. covered 140k of trouble free motoring in the 11years I had her, now the engine lives on in the corsa C. 
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