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kz
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What do we think? Preview here...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=23&t=1352050&nmt=RE%3A+Honda+Civic+Type+R+prototype%3A+Driven#topicTop

280bhp minimum sounds interesting, surely this will be going against the bigger boys rather than the hot hatches like the Corsa VXR?

Whilst we're discussing new models, to a lesser extent here's the new Mini Cooper S...





Which I guess obviously, looks exactly the same. Although I think the rear is slightly worse, looks really boxy. Are they ever going to do something properly different? I know "If it's not broke, don't fix it" but come on sometimes things need a real refresh.

Finally, the Nismo GT-R...





I like the wheels, not sure on the black bits or the exhaust though. Estimated to be around £100,000 though... I think that's pretty crazy.
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Civic looks unfinished to me.
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Heard about this new mini, bigger than a corrado
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The mini range is getting more and more alike someone with special needs
Ojc
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Mini looks horrendous but I think the R56 looks horrendous, R53 all day long.
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Awful

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John
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Civic has always been Astra/Megane sized? Never a Corsa competitor?
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quote:
Originally posted by Ojc
Mini looks horrendous but I think the R56 looks horrendous, R53 all day long.


This

It's like there trying to make it bigger and bigger and bigger.
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civic would not compete against corsa

its focus, megane, astra size surely
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think the mini will be based on the new BMW platform as next gen 1 series etc will be front wheel drive so expect the mini to be similar size to a 1 series
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Boot lid on the Mini curving under the lights like that looks terrible.
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Mini looks odd but people will get used to it and like it in no time. R56 JCW with red roof and mirrors is still the best one though.

The Civic looks ok to me.

[Edited on 19-11-2013 by mwg]
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While were on the topic of the new mini.....

Mini estate anyone?
http://www.worldcarfans.com/113111566174/2015-six-door-mini-travellerspacebox-spied-for-the-first
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Both the Honda and Nissan look very 2000, very Halfords with the bodykits.
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Ohh woow. Nice Mini. :sigh:
kz
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For people saying the Civic has always competed with bigger cars... how comes one of the biggest hot hatch rivalries in a previous generation of cars was the EP3 Civic Type-R Vs Clio 182?
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Vtec turbo written on the nearside doors. Could be interesting.
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Girl now works for us used to work at a BMW Mini dealership.

Mini is losing the silly dials too apparently.
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quote:
Originally posted by kz
For people saying the Civic has always competed with bigger cars... how comes one of the biggest hot hatch rivalries in a previous generation of cars was the EP3 Civic Type-R Vs Clio 182?



Back then not many hatch's had over 200 bhp, it's pretty much the norm now. Even the Clio is forced induction. Both handled well, and are about the same in a straight line. The Megane 225 was the new benchmark, now hot hatch's are fat with high power output. Even the MINI is massive.
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quote:
Originally posted by deano87
Girl now works for us used to work at a BMW Mini dealership.

Mini is losing the silly dials too apparently.

Just did a bit of Googling. It's still there
kz
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Is the current MCS a 1.6 Turbo? Because the new one is a 2.0 Turbo with no power increase what's the point, more economical? Or just to battle the extra weight I wonder.
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Civic is a very early prototype, the finished car will be on sale in 2015 so might not even be that shape!
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quote:
Originally posted by kz
Is the current MCS a 1.6 Turbo? Because the new one is a 2.0 Turbo with no power increase what's the point, more economical? Or just to battle the extra weight I wonder.


Yes it's a 1.6 turbo. Seems strange they've gone to a bigger engine. The rest of the BMW range and a lot of other manufacturers are going for smaller engines with each new model released, not bigger. Maybe it's sharing the engine with a future 1 or 3 series BMW?
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
Civic is a very early prototype, the finished car will be on sale in 2015 so might not even be that shape!



Indeed. a camo'd up one has been seen tearing around the ring alot with tarquini (sp) the honda WTC driver at the wheel. Apparently they want the production hatch record off of the megane and have been getting close already

300bhp 2.0t new engine to meet the new EU emissions regs
mechanical limited slip diff
new rear suspension setup
even rumor of a return of rear wheel steering

Sounds interesting and hope its good so they can get back on the hot hatch table


pics etc here

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/290377/honda_civic_typer_turbo_teased.html

Drives supercharged Tec with torque

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