VrsTurbo
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Seems a mine field!
Looking at buying a car so I can tow the megane to the track when I need to. Roughly the car weighs 1400kg I assume.
So if I was to buy a range rover or something similar can I tow the megane with no extra test? Passed my test 9 years ago.
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Ian
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Passed in 2003? So you don't have +E
You can tow, but the trailer must weigh less than the tow car and the whole combination must be <3500kg.
So Range Rover won't do as it would leave you needed a very light track car.
Megane at 1400kg + trailer at 400kg is already over, even if those estimates can come down a bit you still might struggle to find a tow car heavier but remain under the upper threshold.
No reason why you can't do the extra test. As well as being able to use a proper car to do the job, on a proper trailer, you'll also probably pick up some tips. I was driving B+E for many years and still benefited from +E tuition in a C1 (4t van).
[Edited on 21-07-2014 by Ian]
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Mike
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No. If the car weighs 1400kg, by the time you've put it on a trailer, it's more like 1900kg which is far too heavy to fit into the B license category, which is what you will have.
The B+E test isn't too major a deal though. It cost me £450 and took 2 days, I had the first day and second morning for training and then did the test on the afternoon. Obviously if you don't pass first time then the costs can creep up as the test fee was £110 when I did it.
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gazza808
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Also just to add remember it's not kerb weight of the tow car either it's max authorised mass.
Usually if your trailer plus load combo is over 1400 you'll struggle massively.
What I use is vauxhall signum, kerb weight 1500kg, mam 2030 approx so in reality that leaves me 1470kg for trailer and load and the trailer can't be plated to carry higher.
Luckily my trailers overall mass loaded is 1400kg
Forgot to add like above with your car weighing that you have no chance. Just to slow typing lol
[Edited on 21-07-2014 by gazza808]
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bigron1988
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quote:
Originally posted by gazza808
Also just to add remember it's not kerb weight of the tow car either it's max authorised mass.
Usually if your trailer plus load combo is over 1400 you'll struggle massively.
What I use is vauxhall signum, kerb weight 1500kg, mam 2030 approx so in reality that leaves me 1470kg for trailer and load and the trailer can't be plated to carry higher.
Luckily my trailers overall mass loaded is 1400kg
Forgot to add like above with your car weighing that you have no chance. Just to slow typing lol
[Edited on 21-07-2014 by gazza808]
this is what i also thought but when i hired a trailer not so long ago from barlow trailers he said diffrent , my transit can pull max 2250kg and i was putting a corsa c on the trailer so that would allow me 1250kg ish for the trailer to stay legal but i thought it went of the plate of the trailer and not the weight of the trailer ?
[Edited on 21-07-2014 by bigron1988]
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Mike
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quote:
Originally posted by bigron1988
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Originally posted by gazza808
Also just to add remember it's not kerb weight of the tow car either it's max authorised mass.
Usually if your trailer plus load combo is over 1400 you'll struggle massively.
What I use is vauxhall signum, kerb weight 1500kg, mam 2030 approx so in reality that leaves me 1470kg for trailer and load and the trailer can't be plated to carry higher.
Luckily my trailers overall mass loaded is 1400kg
Forgot to add like above with your car weighing that you have no chance. Just to slow typing lol
[Edited on 21-07-2014 by gazza808]
this is what i also thought but when i hired a trailer not so long ago from barlow trailers he said diffrent , my transit can pull max 2250kg and i was putting a corsa c on the trailer so that would allow me 1250kg ish for the trailer to stay legal but i thought it went of the plate of the trailer and not the weight of the trailer ?
[Edited on 21-07-2014 by bigron1988]
If you've got +E then it goes off the actual loaded weight of the trailer, if you haven't then it goes off the plated weight of the trailer. The combination pictured is well beyond the realms of category B.
[Edited on 21-07-2014 by Mike]
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gazza808
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If you haven't done your trailer test then your way way over what your allowed to tow.
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bigron1988
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nar ive got my class 1 lorry licence so covers me for towing , so it goes of the weight and not the plated weight
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gazza808
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Tbh In your realms of towing I'm not entirely sure,
From what I've just read...
'2. Car towing weight and width limits
Most cars have a maximum weight of what they can tow. It’s usually listed in the handbook or specification sheet.
Alternatively the vehicle’s gross train weight may be listed on the vehicle identification number (VIN) plate on the car. This is normally under the bonnet or inside the driver’s door. The gross train weight is the weight of the fully loaded car plus fully loaded trailer and must not be exceeded.
If your VIN plate doesn’t list a train weight, you should not use your vehicle for towing.'
Fully laden trailer to me means plated weight but I'm not really sure.
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Mike
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quote:
Originally posted by bigron1988
nar ive got my class 1 lorry licence so covers me for towing , so it goes of the weight and not the plated weight
Yeah. Barlow have actually got a VOSA notice on their website.
http://www.barlowtrailers.com/PDF/VOSA-Trailer-Weights-Information.pdf
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pow
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Our young boys licences are absolute madness, like minibus driving, our works minibuses are plated at 3700kg so technically I shouldn't be allowed to drive it BUT because it has a disabled lift on the back it's fine 
Towing anything more than a 'tip run' trailer on a rangy will require your +E
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SVM 286
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Anyone here ever had there 7.5 tonne and towing, left OFF of their two part licence, when they had it on their original licence?
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Mike
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quote:
Originally posted by pow
Our young boys licences are absolute madness, like minibus driving, our works minibuses are plated at 3700kg so technically I shouldn't be allowed to drive it BUT because it has a disabled lift on the back it's fine
Towing anything more than a 'tip run' trailer on a rangy will require your +E
Always baffled me that with category B you can have trailer and tow vehicle weights almost matching but to tow the same trailer, with a heavier, more stable tow vehicle means you have to do a test. Utterly stupid. I think it's changed again now too and if you passed after a certain date in the last year or so (edit: 19th Jan 2013), the tow vehicle no longer has to be heavier than the trailer  Why they didn't stick to just having the 750kg limit is beyond me, much clearer for Joe public to understand, much easier in terms of police/VOSA enforcement and safer because people with no experience wouldn't be buying smaller cars to tow heavy trailers all to avoid the cost of some training and a test.
[Edited on 22-07-2014 by Mike]
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pow
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quote:
Originally posted by SVM 286
Anyone here ever had there 7.5 tonne and towing, left OFF of their two part licence, when they had it on their original licence?
You should have raised that when you got it back, they can't just revoke a class for no reason
Mike - I'd put money on you not being able to drive a LWB Hi-Top van on a B "car" licence soon - I see that as madness tbh, I can't imagine my sister getting in something like I bought to billing when she passed her test in a 5dr Clio
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I've done my trailer test, if you haven't pulled trailers before its well worth it, even if you just do the training and not do the test (though I wouldn't suggest that )
The test is exactly like your normal driving test, with two? activities in a private area which are unhitching/hitching + reversing up to your trailer, other one is to reverse across a square diagonally into a space that is coned off.
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SVM 286
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quote:
Originally posted by pow
quote:
Originally posted by SVM 286
Anyone here ever had there 7.5 tonne and towing, left OFF of their two part licence, when they had it on their original licence?
You should have raised that when you got it back, they can't just revoke a class for no reason
Tbh Pow, I never even noticed.
After I bought it, it just stayed in it's envelope in a car file and only ever got taken out to be posted off for endorsements or taken to court. I never got it back the last time it was endorsed some years ago, but never chased it as I had my photocard and was just too busy in general, at the time.
I recently found a photocopy of it when looking for a log book and it seemed to be missing some valuable info.
I've not had a pull or needed use of my license physically for a good few years now, but had a renewal demand from the DVLA recently.
They don't mess around. Big fine if you don't renew, plus essentially, it's not just a symbol. It IS your actual entitlement to drive, so if it lapses and you drive, you are breaking the law.
Wish i'd never got the bloody thing now. My original license had a lifespan of significantly more than ten bloody years.
I'm hoping it's just a clerical error, rather than a permanent deletion, as I need those entitlements and well, they're mine.
They were listed on the back of the photo card. If they're not on both parts is that an issue, or are they never printed on the counterpart?
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VrsTurbo
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May of just bought a v8 jeep...
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Ian
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Still no use to you if the Megane on the trailer is over 1750kg unless you do the test.
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VrsTurbo
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Gonna be doing the test already looked into it.
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SVM 286
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Which classification/entitlement code/s will you obtain from doing the test Mr Turbo?
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VrsTurbo
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Can pull a heavy trailer and drive stuff upto 7.5t
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Mike
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7.5t, are you doing C1+E?
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Ian
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Might be train for B+E although that would only be 6t ish.
My Disco 2 which can tow 3.5t has a max train of 6.3 ish.
Newer stuff probably more but 7.5t without C1 sounds a bit high.
[Edited on 24-07-2014 by Ian]
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Mike
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Yeah B+E max train is 7t, 3.5 for the car, 3.5 for the trailer. The only thing I've heard of that can actually do that though is some newish Defenders.
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