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James
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9th Feb 15 at 10:13   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

WTF is going on?

Anything half decent is being sold within a couple of days. Unless you can view the day it comes on the market or the day after you might as well not bother.

We looked at a house that ended up selling for 35% over the asking price. It is utter madness.

I'm not sure whether we should keep trying or wait until things start to calm down a bit.

[Edited on 09-02-2015 by James]
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Must be a south thing.
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It's fucking mad down here at the moment, you have to be first in to be in with half a chance!
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Worst I have half a million pound house ambitions thread ever

[Edited on 09-02-2015 by Russ]
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quote:
Originally posted by Russ
Worst I have half a million pound house ambitions thread ever

[Edited on 09-02-2015 by Russ]


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quote:
Originally posted by Russ
Worst I have half a million pound house ambitions thread ever

[Edited on 09-02-2015 by Russ]


I'm looking at 3-bed semi detached houses, hardly setting my sights high. It's not my fault house prices are ridiculous at the moment.

Comments like that are exactly why I hardly post on here any more.

[Edited on 09-02-2015 by James]
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9th Feb 15 at 12:05   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Not just down south, houses in York don't stay on the market long either. There are always features in the local paper about how people can't afford to live in York.
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Surely the solution is wait for a bit until everyone realises they're not worth that much.

Thing that gets me about house prices, the buyers decide it.

Unless you want to tell me the market is absolutely full of people who are happy to sit forever with it on the market then I still maintain daft buyers are costing themselves money.

Look at the percentage over asking. That's no one else's doing.

Obviously wait 6 months.
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Yeah we got gazumped on both houses we've bought after getting in quick. (so we ended up beating the revised price each time) The last time basically ate up our entire pot put aside for extra works needed so now its all being done on a gradual basis rather than in one go.

House prices aren't going down any time soon round this way, imo of course. Too many people, not enough land. Interest rates are unlikely to spike so wont have any real effect.
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move north
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That wasn't meant to sound like I'm complaining. the housing market can be rapid but at least they sell! Touch wood i wont have to move house again.

Overall I love it down this end of the country and near London, I'm not going anywhere!
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I'm waiting for the fall again.
House down from has recently gone up for sale and is on the market for 7k more than we paid for ours 6 months ago.

Ours having over theirs a detached single garage, drive way, bigger rooms over all, dining room and a semi rather than the end of a row of 3 houses.
I'm not believing that ours is suddenly worth 20-25k more than we paid 6 months ago


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11th Feb 15 at 10:22   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

u wot?
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I was going to get into the property rental business but my dad told me not to
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
quantitative easing / low interest rates / foreign investors / cost of renting / hype.

quantitative easing is inflating all asset prices. More money being pumped into the system, means it trickles down through assets - property / stock shares / expensive cars etc.

Low interest rates - Money is available really cheap currently and a lot of people will be stretching what they can afford by looking at repayments at current market rates - which may bite them when interest rates go up. Either way, it means they're more likely to just go mad and increase the amount borrowed to secure a house they want - rather than spend strictly what they can afford.

Foreign investors buying properties off plan for hope of profit / security with money. The super expensive properties have been bought by the super rich foreigners causing a ripple people moving outwards and chain of people selling up -> buying somewhere cheaper and releasing money. (Since they have lots of money available in this transaction - they can afford to out bid crazily high).

Also foreign investors who just buy average new build flats in hope of renting out / just having it as an investment - means theirs a lack of new housing compared to the demand - this means more people per decent house available. There's a whole world of renters wanting to buy.

Rent prices keep going up and I find a lot of people lock themselves into a trap where they earn more, they spend more on rent and thus get struck in this cycle. These people are seriously keen to escape the trap and just buy as they could pay similar or less a month for a mortgage and own the place. There's a whole range of these people who are trying to bite at the decent / affordable properties at the bottom of the ladder which in turn pushes prices up / reduces availability. Also linked to this are the rich constantly buying the properties to rent out - making less properties available to buy.

Hype. When people read 'house prices went up 23% in a year' - they panic... think they will never get a property unless they buy now! Some feel they missed out on profits they could've made and ultimately everyone is thinking that everything will keep going up.

I expect four things to reverse this trend.
- Raise of interest rates, suddenly there won't be so much cheap money and demand will fall - causing prices to fall
- Stop of QE / Financial meltdown - another 2008 / housing bubble - this would make property prices fall but not for a good result
- Build more properties ... more supply would solve the problem except the foreign investors are buying most new builds.
- Foreign investors pull out of the market ... I believe this will happen like a domino effect. Take one of the above - prices fall, savy foreign investors realise it's over and sell up. Prices fall again. Then panic ensues and the price keeps falling.


[Edited on 11-02-2015 by Paul_J]


The one key point you are missing, is that you are talking about London.

London property isn't hugely affected by market trends, quantitative easing or interest rates, because the market is it's own sub-region.

London property prices do not rise and fall like the rest of the UK, investors/businesses/ wealthy people will always (for at least the next 100 years that we can predict) want to be in London, and as such the property market will reflect this. Look at yields of commercial property in London, then look at the rest of the UK. That will tell you how different London is!
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
u wot?


Hasn't posted since Sep 14, Didn't read
Ben G
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Paul J in essay shocker

Glad we bought ours when we did. Gone from 90% LTV to 75% in under 5 years which is handy for decent mortgage deals.
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Was on the news tonight saying banks have been told to lower lending for first time buyers.
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
Sorry should've just pm'd James - I could've guessed you Neanderthal apes would not appreciate a constructive post to a topic.

Feel free to go back to grunting at each other / smelling each other's bums.


You both talk an equal amount of shit, so yes, please just PM him next time.

Thanks
Ben G
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spencer88
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I'd be interested to know what experience Paul_J has in relation to the property market?

As in properly worked, studied etc in it, or read a few property journals?
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Oh no you didn't. Here we go, 10 pages.
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Baskey
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interest rates need to go up.

Lots of retired people are snapping up properties to rent out because they are getting nothing on their savings.
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No they don't, my mortgage is cheap

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