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Phil321

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13th Aug 03 at 15:09

Please discuss the above quote.

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13th Aug 03 at 15:11

I think the new mini is to big and has out classed the mini badge. I know the cooper S is rapid but i don't really class it as a hot hatch

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13th Aug 03 at 15:13

Whether it is a hot hatch is beyond question. I was just wondering is people would care to add to that quote from an well know and well respected peoformance car magazine.

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13th Aug 03 at 15:14

Bloody Germans, they think they can buy our car companies to get back at us for winning WWII...

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13th Aug 03 at 15:14

they've just featured one in max power with 200 bhp

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13th Aug 03 at 15:15

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Originally posted by Claire G
I think the new mini is to big and has out classed the mini badge. I know the cooper S is rapid but i don't really class it as a hot hatch

160+bhp and 0-60 in 7.8 secs and its not a hot hatch

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13th Aug 03 at 15:17

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they've just featured one in max power with 200 bhp

arent the standard ones 160 ? only 40 over standard, thats not alot to get from a forced induction car

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13th Aug 03 at 15:17

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they've just featured one in max power with 200 bhp

Hartge do a 200bhp + conversion fitted for £1500 which also comes with warrenty.

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13th Aug 03 at 15:20

They've brought out cooper s works which is 200bhp std

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13th Aug 03 at 15:21

quote:
Originally posted by sxi boy

quote:
Originally posted by Claire G
I think the new mini is to big and has out classed the mini badge. I know the cooper S is rapid but i don't really class it as a hot hatch

160+bhp and 0-60 in 7.8 secs and its not a hot hatch

very good, except my car was doing this back in 1991. and it only has 139bhp

my car is the most complete hot hatch of all time

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13th Aug 03 at 15:22

The Cooper S Works is not standard though is it, as the name implies, it is a performance upgrade and costs £3.5k!

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13th Aug 03 at 15:22

its not a mini. bmw series ............

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13th Aug 03 at 15:22

cooper s - very nice cars, wouldnt buy one though

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13th Aug 03 at 15:24

too much money and very girly, altho wud be easy to pull in one

all birds love em'

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13th Aug 03 at 15:24

quote:
Originally posted by Gambit

quote:
Originally posted by sxi boy

quote:
Originally posted by Claire G
I think the new mini is to big and has out classed the mini badge. I know the cooper S is rapid but i don't really class it as a hot hatch

160+bhp and 0-60 in 7.8 secs and its not a hot hatch

very good, except my car was doing this back in 1991. and it only has 139bhp

my car is the most complete hot hatch of all time

0-60 is not a true measure of a car. The Cooper S is the complete package. Unlike many rivals at the moment eg the Civic Type R, it is not not just a one trick pony.

Gambit - The MKII is indeed an excellent car for its time and one of the originals that started it all, but it simply cannot compare to the modern alternatives.

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13th Aug 03 at 15:25

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cooper s - very nice cars, wouldnt buy one though

Why?

nik

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13th Aug 03 at 15:25

The CTR is a quicker all round car by lots anyway over the Cooper S and is much cheaper.

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13th Aug 03 at 15:25

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Originally posted by Chris@Speedfreex
its not a mini. bmw series ............

This is very ture, although BMW are still going to release a Fiesta sized 1 series in the near future.

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13th Aug 03 at 15:26

then the mini cooper can only be called the most complete hot hatch of its day......

all time takes into account the technology available at the time.

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13th Aug 03 at 15:27

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The CTR is a quicker all round car by lots anyway over the Cooper S and is much cheaper.

It is quicker in a straight line but the overall package is not a patch on the Mini IMO. The Mini is also cheaper brand new by some £1500.

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13th Aug 03 at 15:27

Lovley cars. Your forgetting they have like 17"s as standard. Little ish cars, but again very heavy and great build quality.

Wonder what a stripped out mini with 200+bhp (they say 200bhp, but a lot have been getting between 210-220bhp) could do

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13th Aug 03 at 15:28

quote:
Originally posted by Phil321

quote:
Originally posted by sxi boy
cooper s - very nice cars, wouldnt buy one though

Why?

id have a civic type r as theyre faster and handle better

ive read a few magazine articles comparing the best of todays hot hatches around racing circuits, and nearly all said that the cooper s was noticeably heavier which seriously stunted its handling

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13th Aug 03 at 15:28

admittedly they still look like hairdresser mobiles though

Phil321

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13th Aug 03 at 15:28

Yea, 200BHP is a very conservative estimate as a lot of the tuners are German where they adhere to very strict standards which result in conservative estimates.

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13th Aug 03 at 15:29

i dont c how it can really be classed as a mini,

onl things that realy resemble the mini is the cooper bonnet stripes,

they've tryed to resemble the look, but it hasnt worked, its a very nice car, but its not the mini cooper that i used to love,

the bmw one is a very much larger car than the classic mini

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