M4tt_Envoy
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i'm starting this saturday, can i ask what supplments other people are using?
Creatine?
Protein Whey?
Multi Vitimins?
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Paul_J
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I'm having 2 scoops of whey protein in the morning with my breakfast, and 2 scoops of whey protein after my work out.
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Dan
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how long after breakfast are you working out?
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Paul_J
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I work out in the evenings after work.
My diet at the moment is roughly.
Wake up,
Have a bowl of Cherios 'whole grain' (not good for my diet, but normally what i have (this is my carbs portion).
Then 2 scoops of whey protein with water drink.
Then for lunch, I have 1 piece of fruit (my fruit portion) and some plain chicken / tuna.
Then I get home from work about 6pm and start my work out about 6:30.
Once I finish my work out I have another 2 scoops of whey protein with water and then cook a plain chicken fillet with green beans.
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BarnshaW
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that aint enough to build any muscle :s
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Marc
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quote:
Originally posted by M4tt_Envoy
i'm starting this saturday, can i ask what supplments other people are using?
Nutrisport 90+ - Protein level is quite high and carb level is fairly low compared to other powders. Just don't get vanilla.
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Paul_J
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quote:
Originally posted by BarnshaW
that aint enough to build any muscle :s
that's the problem, I don't eat that much anyway...
What would you recommend?
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Adge
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my current diet is
8am Cereal,Yoghurt,Fruit - 2scoopsWhey in Milk/water
10-30am - Yoghurt - Cereal snack bar
12pm - 2 Chicken fillets with salad, jacket potato
3pm - 2 scoop whey in milk/water
4.30pm - 2 chicken fillets in Wraps
5.00pm - Pre workout Protein bar
TRAIN-
6.30pm- Tea 2-3 flavoured Chicken, Rice and Stream Veg
8pm - 2 scoops Whey in milk Water
iam 6ft and 84kg. ive been sticking to it for around 3 week now and feel much better
[Edited on 07-10-2009 by Adge]
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BarnshaW
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well, for breakfast you need to eat quite a bit, as Dizzy has mentioned before yuou should aim for like 40-50g protein per meal, maybe a 3 egg omelette for breakfast with some lean ham in? i also have a protein shake
Mid morning have a handful of nuts such as almonds or brazil nuts and some fruit
lunch have tuna/salmon/chicken/turkey with rice or have it with granary bread with some natural yoghurt or something
Pre train dinner have steak, jacket potato with a tin of tuna, or lean mince with plenty of vegetables,
after training you could have cottage cheese, protein shake with ice cubes and peanut butter to make a nice smoothie,
My diet will probably be advised as completely wrong but i have had some very good gains from eating well and training hard. Once you get into the routine of eating often your body adapts to it, i never used to be able to eat first thing in the morning, now i wake up craving food.
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Adge
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yeah mornings is my downfall, i have no time to make proper breakfast! i also HATE! tuna so just try to stick to chicken all the time
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Paul_J
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my main concern with eating a lot, is that you gain fat.
for the first 30 days its really strict on carb intake for the purpose of shedding fat, and the next two phases increment the amount you intake a lot more.
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BarnshaW
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but you are not eating foods with masses of unhealthy fat? for example tuna is very high in protein and low in carbs.
if you want to get bigger you have to eat bigger.
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Paul_J
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quote:
Originally posted by BarnshaW
but you are not eating foods with masses of unhealthy fat? for example tuna is very high in protein and low in carbs.
if you want to get bigger you have to eat bigger.
Hmm, I don't know though... things like Steak / Cottage Cheese / nuts will have high fat.
Then you're eating yoghurts, Breads, rice, potatoes etc which will have high carb.
High carbs + High Fat = Fat gain (in my experiences).
It could be that when working the muscles as hard as you are, it doesn't matter as it gets converted to muscle instead.
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BarnshaW
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cottage cheese is not really high in fats, nuts in moderation contain the healthy fats you will need as part of a healthy diet to train.
you will need a certain amount of carbs ot have some energy, i tend to not eat massive amounts of carbs in the evening. i have put on weight but its definately not fat i have put on. It has all gone on in proportion. There is not much saturated fat in these foods really.
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Tom G
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I think i might have to give this a shot, will have to be around New years so my general fitness is better 
How is the program split Paul? 1 week of 1 thing then a week of another?
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Paul_J
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nutrion is 3 phases, 30 days long for each...
phase 1 30 days -> phase 2 30 days-> phase 3 30 days
the exercises etc...
13 different sets of 'exercises'...
You do a different set of exercises per day, for 6 days a week...
Same routine for 3 weeks,
Then 4th week relax week which is different
Then different routine for 3 weeks
Then 4th week relax week
Then original routine for 2 weeks
Then the different routine for 2 weeks.
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Pop
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I've been having a look at supplements etc. Those of you taking 4 scoops a day must be spending a fortune.
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Pop
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Also, those of you that eat tuna, if you have it in sandwiches is it ok to mix it with mayo?
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BarnshaW
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u can buy 2.5kg of whey from MP for like 28 quid, that should last you at least 6 weeks.
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Pop
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quote:
Originally posted by BarnshaW
u can buy 2.5kg of whey from MP for like 28 quid, that should last you at least 6 weeks.
Ah not to bad then. I must have been looking at expensive stuff.
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Paul_J
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This is mine (tastes good)
http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/product_detail.asp?pid=100&prodid=565&afid=70&safid=AG&scid=14581&cm_mmc=Aggregates-_-Comparisons-_-GoogleProducts-_-HBMVPCGP&%24%24tid=9uc8aVuY0GIIo2a1rff0_Gw6QmyUSaDl7mOsYciZeWvycNU0-c_cUsfrkIbJ6ckw
I think I got it on special offer though buy one get one free or half price or something So only £12 per thing...
probably like 40-80 scoops in there at a guess?
[Edited on 07-10-2009 by Paul_J]
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DizzyRebel
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
quote:
Originally posted by BarnshaW
but you are not eating foods with masses of unhealthy fat? for example tuna is very high in protein and low in carbs.
if you want to get bigger you have to eat bigger.
Hmm, I don't know though... things like Steak / Cottage Cheese / nuts will have high fat.
Then you're eating yoghurts, Breads, rice, potatoes etc which will have high carb.
High carbs + High Fat = Fat gain (in my experiences).
It could be that when working the muscles as hard as you are, it doesn't matter as it gets converted to muscle instead.
This is where conventional thinking becomes irrelevant. There are 3 types of fats: saturated, mono-unsaturated and poly-unsaturated. You need an even mix of all 3 daily for correct bodily function.
This sounds backwards, but you need to eat fat to loose fat. Now im not talking about cake slices and burgers that are high in saturated fat. But clean foods such as nuts, meats, fish, oils, cheeses all have something called dietary fats in them. You need to eat these dietary fats as they help massively with hormone production, and your body cannot create these from other foods - they need to be eaten. So dont worry about eating a good amount of nuts, steak, cheese, peanut butter etc as they will not be stored as fat, they will be used to create that muscle building hormone, testosterone!
Ps a suppliment no trainee should go without is fish oil capsules. you should have 4-5 of these a day as they have so much good stuff in them the health benefits are unreal!
As far as carbs go, you need some for energy, but the time you need them most is before, during and after your workout to created a loaded insulin surge. Without proper peri-workout carbs, your body uses up available glycogen during your workout and then begins using its own muscle as fuel which is not what you want!
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does it include the diets?
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Cosmo
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TBH Paul, even going by P90X nutrition for the first phase that is nowhere near as much as you should be eating.
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