Paul_J
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quote: Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
quote: Originally posted by Jambo
quote: Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
snow is only about 1 week out of 52, i wouldn't use it as a consideration when buying any car really.
Yea but this is Corsasport m8.
i know i bet people see an M3 and then think to themselves "yeah, thats a nice car you got, but my corsa will be better in the snow"
WINNING
A woman at work made this exact point today, she hasn't even read this thread.
She was blabbering on about her corsa she has owned for 9 years and said 'I love it in the winter, when I drive past all the broken down bmw's in the snow.'
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A2H GO
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Same, was speaking to the Mrs mum about us getting a 1 Series, first thing she said was, 'that will be rubbish in the snow'.
OK so i'll buy a different car for the sake of a few days a year.
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Ian
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The snow comment holds some weight. They are terrible.
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Jambo
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I use my car less when I have the flu than I do in the snow. It's not an issue at all tbh unless you live somewhere remote or hilly.
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adiohead
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quote: Originally posted by A2H GO
Same, was speaking to the Mrs mum about us getting a 1 Series, first thing she said was, 'that will be rubbish in the snow'.
OK so i'll buy a different car for the sake of a few days a year.
Tell her to get winter tyres and she'll be quicker than a 4wd with summer ones.
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mwg
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sc0ott
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quote: Originally posted by A2H GO
Same, was speaking to the Mrs mum about us getting a 1 Series, first thing she said was, 'that will be rubbish in the snow'.
OK so i'll buy a different car for the sake of a few days a year.
Well in that case you better invest in a pack of huskies and a sledge.
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adiohead
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http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/248524/winter_tyres_tested.html
"Would four-wheel drive help? We had an Evo X FQ-330 on summer rubber to hand. It managed a 2m29s, 25sec adrift of the winter-tyred XF. Point proved. To get the standard XFR to perform a 0-60mph time at all, I had to to start on wet tarmac and it still took 15.3sec – the cold weather tyres cut that to 8.9sec."
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mwg
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I was thinking a 4x4 type vehicle. Like a Landrover.
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adiohead
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quote: Originally posted by mwg
I was thinking a 4x4 type vehicle. Like a Landrover.
In snow:
Landrover with winter tyres > Landrover with summer tyres
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mwg
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Correct. I thought you were implying a car with winter tyres would outperform a 4x4 on summer tyres. And by 4x4 I was thinking a proper capable offroad type vehicle, missed that you put 4WD.
[Edited on 12-07-2011 by mwg]
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adiohead
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quote: Originally posted by mwg
Correct. I thought you were implying a car with winter tyres would outperform a 4x4 on summer tyres.
Depends on the 4x4 I guess. I bet some are shite in the snow compared to a RWD with winter tyres.
I remember seeing a Lexus 4x4 go sideways on the A40 in the snow at low speed, when my shit car was doing ok.
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3CorsaMeal
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i think the problem is, people with no driving skill go out and buy a 4x4 and presume it will make driving in snow effortless, as if they have fixed the problem
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adiohead
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This lexus 4x4 thing was just driving straight on a light dusting
All M3 owners had to stop, park up and walk home
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Fro
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My 330 (granted not an M3) was fine in the snow was out quite a bit in it. roof down aswell
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mwg
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quote: Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
i think the problem is, people with no driving skill go out and buy a 4x4 and presume it will make driving in snow effortless, as if they have fixed the problem
Yeah I think people think they can suddenly do 60mph if they have a 4x4, which they can but they'll still go straight on when they steer or brake
4x4 are really good for getting up and down hills though, especially with hill descent control.
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Corsa_Sport21
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I seen quite a few Merc C classes stuck in the snow.The wee Ford Ka just trundled along with no drama's.
Some tool in a Clio V6 must have fancied his chances too.It didn't end well though.The car was dumped at the side of the road after it had a fight with a kerb.The kerb won.Bumper was fuked.
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adiohead
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quote: Originally posted by mwg
4x4 are really good for getting up and down hills though, especially with hill descent control.
I used that when I borrowed my friend's old X3 in the winter 2 years ago. Was great!
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quote: Originally posted by Paul_J
The price of them these days is so low
Thing is, I know they should be quick, but I've never really seen one in the flesh go that fast. I'm a bit worried they're just too heavy.
For example, when I had a few bits on my s2000 (ecu, manifold, exhaust) I raced one off a set of lights at santa pod and was pulling away up to 110 - then driving back to the paddock he said 'Woah, thats goes alright doesn't it?' ...
Ok my car no longer has those bits on it any more, so I know an m3 would be quicker - but even so, I would've expected the m3 (if they're as quick as they should be) to go straight past.
Same way, I've seen them on top gear / fifth gear and they're clearly track weapons - but whenever I've actually seen one on track at a track day they've been slow and I've overtaken it (even in the days of my 106 gti).
Ultimately, how good are they on track?
[Edited on 11-07-2011 by Paul_J]
So in conclusion Paul. What you want is a 4x4 for snow driving.
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3CorsaMeal
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don't see them driving fast on top gear, all they do is powerslide into a corner then cut to a different camera angle before exiting the corner as jeremy hasn't got the skills to keep it going
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quote: Originally posted by Corsa_Sport21
I seen quite a few Merc C classes stuck in the snow.The wee Ford Ka just trundled along with no drama's.
Some tool in a Clio V6 must have fancied his chances too.It didn't end well though.The car was dumped at the side of the road after it had a fight with a kerb.The kerb won.Bumper was fuked.
I had exclusive use of the KA in the snow, was FANTASTIC
Skinny bike tyres with like 20 PSI in them, never got stuck or anything. Shoved a bit of cardboard in the bumper to stop the coolant temp dropping and just kept some essentials in the boot. Winning.
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Fro
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Majority of people on track days probably wouldnt want to bin their M3 either tbh.
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Corsa_Sport21
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2 guys that go up to Knockhill quite frequently have got a Silver CSL and a Black CSL and they don't hold back in them.The noise from them going up the pit straight is unreal.
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BarnshaW
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M3 CSL, almost as good as an F1 car, not quite as good a drivers car though
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adiohead
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quote: Originally posted by Paul_J
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