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Originally posted by g-man
OK OK. I entered this debate on the assumption that the original vehicle was running 158bhp with a bolt on kit. The kit in question running 0.6bar, and standard internals.

I'm more than willing to accept a 1.2 can take 160bhp. Reliably? No. On 0.6bar? No.

Drop the compression, starting blowing at over 1bar and up the fuelling and I'll disgress. I don't believe, for a second, the standard 1.2 engine with bolt on kit puts out that power.

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Originally posted by g-man
In 1970 they were using dirty carbs and less precise engineering methods. In 2006 GM still struggle to make a 6.1Ltr V8 put out more than 450bhp.

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Originally posted by Robin
the new 2.0L TFSI engine from VAG runs 11.5:1 compression ratio.

that's a 2 litre PETROL turbo, with High compression....

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Originally posted by muppetsportdo you know about high comp n/a and turbo's? can produce same power as low comp with less boost

0.6 bar on a higher compression let will make more than 204bhp

the kit isnt just a turbo, it is injectors, manifold, intercooler, turbo, their own air box and software.

if this was a kit listed for a turbo car everyone would have agreed already and moved on to watching porn.

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Originally posted by g-man

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Originally posted by muppetsportdo you know about high comp n/a and turbo's? can produce same power as low comp with less boost

0.6 bar on a higher compression let will make more than 204bhp

the kit isnt just a turbo, it is injectors, manifold, intercooler, turbo, their own air box and software.

if this was a kit listed for a turbo car everyone would have agreed already and moved on to watching porn.

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Even still. A friend has a 1.4 K-Series engine, turbo'd at 21psi (1.5bar) running about 9:1 and it pushes 187bhp (87% power increase). This is on Megasquirt, finely tuned and intercooled.

I'm still doubting a 1.2 with 63% less boost can produce just under 30bhp less, basing the fact it can produce 130% extra power with only 0.6 bar.

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Originally posted by g-man
Yes, I saw FSI. We're talking almost diesel technology here FFS. FSI is also NOT without it's issues. VW are trying to cover up a warehouse full of melted engines.

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Originally posted by Robin
all my information is coming from Vibrio btw.

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Originally posted by g-man
Bubblevaux, point to where anyone said that the 1.2 could never make 158bhp.

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Originally posted by Robin
400cc.

but if a 1.6 can gain 100bhp, why can't a 1.2 gain 75?

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Originally posted by g-man
In the last hour or so, I've probably pushed the biggest debate against this particular engine pushing this power. As I said, I don't doubt the 1.2 can produce this. I've seen 1.0 Charades produce 300bhp, albeit not for very long. The fact is, the OP suggests that the 1.2 engine is producing a reliable 158bhp, on standard internals with 0.6bar. It's only recently came to light that the engine *may not* be standard, and that it *may not* be only running 0.6 bar of boost.

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Originally posted by g-man
Because the 1.2 doesn't have a lary VTEC setup, is 400cc short and without resorting to prejudice, isn't half as good as a Honda unit.

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