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Martin W
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cheers guys!
Martin W
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ive come accross a problem today with the cams:

ive put the cams back in after the rebuild, got the exhaust cam to TDC but cant get the inlet cam to line up. its either before or after the TDC but never inline. heres to pics to show what i mean:




Any ideas?
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Mine was the same mate. when you put the belt on just pull the left pulley round anti clockwise into place and once its tensioned up it will hold it in the correct place

[Edited on 29-01-2012 by shaunmods]
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quote:
Originally posted by shaunmods
Mine was the same mate. when you put the belt on just pull the left pulley round anti clockwise into place and once its tensioned up it will hold it in the correct place

[Edited on 29-01-2012 by shaunmods]

doesnt that mean that one side is half way through a cycle and therefore not hitting the lifters at the correct time?
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   29th Jan 12 at 16:28   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
Yes mate, between the first two cam caps on the cam is some flats for a spanner, this
is so you can move the cam into place and then fit a cam locker! this goes between the
two pullies, it helps to have both hands free when fitting a belt
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yes!! but the cycle is not on the cylinder your trying to time too mate
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quote:
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yes!! but the cycle is not on the cylinder your trying to time too mate


Sorry you've kinda confused me here, by holding the cam with the spanner what does this achieve as the cam will still be in the wrong place? Also, so if I do as shaun says and hold it over while putting the belt on making it TDC doesn't this mean that the cams won't be pushing the valves down at the correct time for the other pistons?

Sorry if it's a stupid question
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Not to worry!! when you placed the cam pully on, it only goes in one position!!
Hold the cam in position with a spanner!! making sure the marks are horizontal to each
other, then place on the cam belt just make sure all the timing mark`s correct,
tension belt, then turn over by hand.
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so what your saying is do what Shaun says to sort it out?
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Just line them up matey had the same thing on my c16xe just held it in place while I put belt on And tension it up
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As been said mate it will be fine to move the cam around then put the belt on.
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cheers guys, ill fit the bet and see if it cranks freely
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come on deadliner!!up date....
Martin W
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Still waiting on the cambelt tensioner , then the belt can go on
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but yes it is normal for the one cam to 'jump' out like this when taking the cambelt off and as said above use a spanner on the nut on the cam shaft to turn it to its position, i THINK aswell if your carefull it should sit in the line'd up position just on the spring tension but be-carefull when you put the belt on as it can spring back to its current position, it is easier to have two people, one to put belt on and one to hold the camshaft but it is possible to do it on your own... obviously.
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quote:
Originally posted by harvey_1066
but yes it is normal for the one cam to 'jump' out like this when taking the cambelt off and as said above use a spanner on the nut on the cam shaft to turn it to its position, i THINK aswell if your carefull it should sit in the line'd up position just on the spring tension but be-carefull when you put the belt on as it can spring back to its current position, it is easier to have two people, one to put belt on and one to hold the camshaft but it is possible to do it on your own... obviously.


thats what im gonna do thanks
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dad got some more work on the engine done today while i was at work:

rocker cover came back from the powder coaters

cambelt tensioner came today and got all the rollers back on. anyone know where the camshaft sensor wire comes out of the cambelt casing?

lower inlet on ready for powerbox!




[Edited on 31-01-2012 by deadliner]
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Just need the vx inlet on it now all ready and waiting for you
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quote:
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Just need the vx inlet on it now all ready and waiting for you


When are you available ? And do you know how to fit it?
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Im free most evenings when you want me to pop round? Il show you how to do it text me when your free
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Very impressed with this! Looks stupidly clean definitely change the inlet before you put it in the car, so much easier to do with it out of the car
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Leave the cam sensor off mate, until you`ve got the belt on and the bottom half of the front cover!!
it will then be clear were the cable sits Its a pitty you don`t live closer mate, rebuilt loads of
these!!(vauxhall technician 1989 to 1996) with tensioner,water pump and belt problems.
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ace work on this mate. wish mine wasnt a daily and id do the same. looks quite new now
and yes as said, fit the inlet box before you fit it. its that black pipe at the back thats a bitch to get out when the engines in.
also you'll need to shift the two connectors of the loom that go into the throttle body...
apart from that its pretty easy to fit and you'll not regret fitting it
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quote:
Originally posted by daine
Leave the cam sensor off mate, until you`ve got the belt on and the bottom half of the front cover!!
it will then be clear were the cable sits Its a pitty you don`t live closer mate, rebuilt loads of
these!!(vauxhall technician 1989 to 1996) with tensioner,water pump and belt problems.


cheers for all your help mate , ill be giving it a go at the weekend
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quote:
Originally posted by Jed D
ace work on this mate. wish mine wasnt a daily and id do the same. looks quite new now
and yes as said, fit the inlet box before you fit it. its that black pipe at the back thats a bitch to get out when the engines in.
also you'll need to shift the two connectors of the loom that go into the throttle body...
apart from that its pretty easy to fit and you'll not regret fitting it


where do you shift the two connectors to? does the throttle body end up on the cam belt side of the engine then?

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