Kerry
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trotty> as luckyB said earlier.
if his gti had been sitting, and the g/box oil cooled down, the @fly figure would have increased due to the oil resistance being greater.
thats why.
i cant comment on the rest of the cars.
sooty said himself the car had been sitting for a while outside. back on an earlier page.
they all had mate
try again
[Edited on 25-11-2003 by Kerry]
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Simon L
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the rare 130bhp gti/vts were only produced around X regi.
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Trotty
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I can see where you're coming from, but it was the same situation for everyone else's though too?
[Edit - Kerry beat me to it!]
[Edited on 25-11-2003 by Trotty]
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Sooty
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1 hour... had a 10 minutes warm up tho
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Simon L
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try again @ what? 
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Kerry
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try again @ what?
proving ure point
ure tryin to say his car was stood
they all was 
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Simon L
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there are far too many different factors, on too many different cars.
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Simon L
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"ure tryin to say his car was stood"
what?
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sxi boy
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Originally posted by Simon L
the rare 130bhp gti/vts were only produced around X regi.
130bhp were only vts, not pugs, this was due to citroen playing about with the exhaust systems, as around the 99/T reg period, pug's had their cat's built into the manifold, whereas citroen didnt and tried to get round a few emissions laws, this is where the 10bhp gain comes from, which shows just how responsive to zorst and breather mods these engines are
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Kerry
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there are far too many different factors, on too many different cars.
that all come up with pretty acurate figures
which would make a pretty acurate day dont u think?
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Simon L
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as luckyB said earlier.
28% is too high a transmission loss figure.
nearer 20% is more accurate, or what it should be.
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Trotty
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quote:
Originally posted by Kerry
quote:
Originally posted by Simon L
there are far too many different factors, on too many different cars.
that all come up with pretty acurate figures
which would make a pretty acurate day dont u think?
Yes! 
Simon - why not just agree to disagree? If you really do dispute Sooty's result then fine, so be it, but lots of people (myself included) feel that he should be chuffed with his result, which can be attributed to a decent stanard engine, plus some initial mods, and has been proven on what appeared to be a rather accurate RR?!
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Simon L
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it wasnt the exhaust system sxi boy.
they didnt try to get around them, they changed the car and it gave more power, but didnt come into line with new emission laws, so they had to change it back.
kerry> perhaps for the other cars, but no sooty.
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Kerry
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Originally posted by Simon L
as luckyB said earlier.
28% is too high a transmission loss figure.
nearer 20% is more accurate, or what it should be.
we all got that % some were infact higher but on average were around 28%
15 cars with 28% transmission losses to me is pretty accurate
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Simon L
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the RR may be acurate, BUT the high @ fly figure is down to the low g/box oil temp.
which does not give an accurate @fly figure of his GTI.
do you understand the words that i am typing?
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Sooty
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Bearing in mind ive driven 7 106GTi's in my time and with the exception of steve's mine was the most responsive and nippiest compared with others.
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Simon L
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kerry believe what you want. but you are only believing what you are told from the start of this thread you didnt have a clue about how any of this worked. now you try to preach it? lol.
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sxi boy
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simon you still havent said what youve dont to your vtr
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Trotty
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quote:
Originally posted by Simon L
the RR may be acurate, BUT the high @ fly figure is down to the low g/box oil temp.
which does not give an accurate @fly figure of his GTI.
do you understand the words that i am typing?
 Yes...
And do you understand what I am typing? Everyone elses car's went through the same process, from sitting in the cold, to a very brief warm up, and onto the rollers. Surely if the low gearbox oil temp was that much of a contributary factor, it would have affected other cars too?
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Simon L
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next RR i go to, im going to have the coldest thickest oil in my gearbox, on the coldest day of the year, with a huge PSI in my front tyres, and i'll get a figure of XXXbhp @ fly.
doesnt mean its accurate though does it?
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Kerry
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quote:
Originally posted by Simon L
the RR may be acurate, BUT the high @ fly figure is down to the low g/box oil temp.
which does not give an accurate @fly figure of his GTI.
do you understand the words that i am typing?
ok my understandin is that if u have a low gearbox temp then this in effect would give a higher resistance resultin in high bhp loss through transmission
now to me that would then mean that if the gearbox is warm there is less resistance meanin less bhp lost through transmission meaning u stil have the same flywheel figure but a better figure at the wheels
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Sooty
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my tyres were underinflated..not by alot.. but were lower than recommended Simon sexy
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Trotty
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Originally posted by Sooty
my tyres were underinflated..not by alot.. but were lower than recommended Simon sexy
 I was just going to mention that!!
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Simon L
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trotty> did all the cars have the same level and type of gearbox oil?
sxi boy> sealed carbon induction kit, 4 branch banifold, decat exhaust, 4.5 bar FPR and dastek unichip.
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