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lee303

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23rd Dec 10 at 13:57

quote:
Originally posted by Ojc
Honesty breh, if you had seen Lee Mannings GSi that was almost as fast as an X16XE that had 12k thrown at it you would know that throttle bodies aren't required.

where was the 12k thrown? in the bin? a proper 12k 1600 would eat a power boxed stock one, even if tbs aren’t necessary on this project...

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:00

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lee303

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:03

i just don’t believe it was ‘almost as fast’ tbh having had some decent comparisons to ian searles old powerboxed 16 with all the bells and whistles with my old spec 1600

[Edited on 23-12-2010 by lee303]

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:05

Honestly, Lee Mannings was the ultimate powerboxed Corsa GSi and the spec was fairly low, everything he had done worked.

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:08

ians was the mantzel demo vehicle, had their cams/headwork a btb custom exhaust and manifold and their full live remap thing, 180 bhp, so certainly wasn’t shy, still not a match for a tb engine that made 192 bhp

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:11

I wonder if Daimo has any vids or input to this thread, he went out in both and I remember him saying at the time about the difference in money for the difference in speed being not that great.

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:11

I thought Peter Knivetts Corsa was the full Mantzel/SBD demo car?

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:12

Seats/frames/harnesses are here

Cheers Tony, just waiting on my god damm motherfucking brake pads.

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:13

i went in andys car at the bruntingthorpe corsa vs nova day, after i helped him refit his alternator belt, been in lots of mantzel boxed cars too, and i would say the difference is quite big, possibly not ‘worth the money’ but certainly not what i would call close

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:15

quote:
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I thought Peter Knivetts Corsa was the full Mantzel/SBD demo car?

yes, the second one, then got sold to ians parents funnily enough! but ians peppermint nova was demo car no.1 hence he didn’t pay for anything!

the corsa sold again recently too, would have been ideal for this project!

[Edited on 23-12-2010 by lee303]

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:16

Where is Daimo FFS

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:17

i don’t get why the need to rely on daimo? seems pretty simple, 12 k on a 1600 will see you with around 220 bhp, how is a mantzel gonna be close to that?

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:21

Are you getting lairy? I'm saying 11k on an extra 1 second to 100mph is a complete waste of money.

[Edited on 23-12-2010 by Ojc]

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:25

no just find it amusing that daimo needs to be here to agree with you, like i said above, it might not be worth the money, and i also agree its not needed on this project, but i disagree with your justification of that point

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:25

Probably distinctly lacking in torque ojc.

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:27

andys car needed a better gearbox badly when i went in it, to make the most of the power band, always the problem when you go mental on the engine but leave the transmission nearly stock

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:34

throttle bodies arent needed for mid spec engine, dont make that much more 'peak power' than one with a decent inlet

but pick up and drive alot better through mid range, dont have to wait for 4k to get going...

but when you start spending 12k on a engine you need throttle bodies to get the air in for the lairy cams and high revs

But your build a inlet will be fine...

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:35

quote:
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andys car needed a better gearbox badly when i went in it, to make the most of the power band, always the problem when you go mental on the engine but leave the transmission nearly stock

taking the straight cut box apart now lee

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:37

careful!

Warren G

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:44

im sure you will be having a phone call soon lol

just take the engine and box out, decieced to do something after a month! will but the engine on the stand and inpsect the mains if okay then just big ends required and a new pump

going to modifie the sump abit for better return too

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:47

quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
Probably distinctly lacking in torque ojc.

All small blocks are

lee303

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:48

sounds like a plan warren

[Edited on 23-12-2010 by lee303]

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:54

Can you tell me if you like the spec of my car so far Lee303?

lee303

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23rd Dec 10 at 14:59

yeah i do, should make for a really fun track toy, personally i’d want a diff and cage and a shorter f/d(not sure if you plan to do this already) but thats jut me and also i’m no good at setting a budget for a project!

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23rd Dec 10 at 15:00

I'm going to have Warrens 4.18 FD if I have the removable diff cover which I keep forgetting to check.

Cage, yes deffo but I think I'm going to have to get cams before I take it to JamSport on the 21st.

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