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Originally posted by strick206I watched the whole game yesterday and Poulsen wasn't sighted as far as i'm concerned, if you are right with him not being fit then he'll improve but if that was how he is i'd be very worried.
You realise Poulsen didnt come off the becnh 
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where is insua?
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I watched the whole game yesterday and Poulsen wasn't sighted as far as i'm concerned, if you are right with him not being fit then he'll improve but if that was how he is i'd be very worried.
The defence thing, i think zonal marking is a waste of tie and was partly the reason you guys conceeded quite a few goals from set pieces last season, man to man is much better.
Personally i think the problem lies with the players, carragher isn't good enough anymore imo, should move agger to centre back, and throw a kid in at the deep end at left back. I actually quite like Skrytl or however you spell it. Good in the air and pretty solid
Can you elaborate on the bit in bold please? Just so I can be sure i understand what you are saying?
Zonal and man to man both have there positives and negatives, the reason zonal failed us last season was down to the players understanding of it and a general lack of confidence throughout the team. We had the best defensive record for years with zonal marking before last year, I just dislike the way the 'experts' on sky make there mind up about something and everyone swallows it like it's gospel.
Our future is Agger and Skrtl as the CB pairing, but we need another LB before the windown shuts as kelly (who is the obvious 'young' choice') is more of a RB.
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in fairness after the game andy gray actually said the 2nd wouldnt have been conceded under zonla marking as johnson somehow ended up on the post and torres or kuyt i think off the other post playing tevez onside
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Originally posted by strick206I watched the whole game yesterday and Poulsen wasn't sighted as far as i'm concerned, if you are right with him not being fit then he'll improve but if that was how he is i'd be very worried.
You realise Poulsen didnt come off the becnh
Ahh that's why he wasn't sighted, if you read Tom's earlier post, it appears to read like Masch didn't play, and a part fit poulsen (i read that as playing but not fit, a bit like torres)
No wonder i didn't see him 
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Jovanavic is fucking useless as well
Kuyt for me is unsettled and is really considering going to Inter
If Masch goes as well that leaves you very light in terms of squad and very very light on quality
Agger aint no left back, glen johnson still cant defend.
Torres looked ok i thought last night, clearly short of fitness but still dangerous. Gerrard was very wasteful imo
Just to go back to these points, I agree Jova had a poor game last night, but he's looked decent so far so i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt (seeing as he's only played 4 competetive games for us!). Kuyt was poor, I very much doubt he'll leave though.
Masch wants to leave, and we will probably use the money from him to buy a new LB and either more cover for CM or a back up striker which will balance the squad a little. Poulsen isn't as invisible as you suggested from his performance (sitting on the bench) last night
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Originally posted by strick206I watched the whole game yesterday and Poulsen wasn't sighted as far as i'm concerned, if you are right with him not being fit then he'll improve but if that was how he is i'd be very worried.
You realise Poulsen didnt come off the becnh
Ahh that's why he wasn't sighted, if you read Tom's earlier post, it appears to read like Masch didn't play, and a part fit poulsen (i read that as playing but not fit, a bit like torres)
No wonder i didn't see him
Apologies if it wasn't clear but I meant that Poulsen wasn't ready to fill Masch's boots in the likely 4-5-1 formation that we would have used if he were fit.
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in fairness after the game andy gray actually said the 2nd wouldnt have been conceded under zonla marking as johnson somehow ended up on the post and torres or kuyt i think off the other post playing tevez onside
He did, which is even funnier, I could probably find you about 38 clips of him saying it was a useless system last season though!
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Can you elaborate on the bit in bold please? Just so I can be sure i understand what you are saying?
Zonal and man to man both have there positives and negatives, the reason zonal failed us last season was down to the players understanding of it and a general lack of confidence throughout the team. We had the best defensive record for years with zonal marking before last year, I just dislike the way the 'experts' on sky make there mind up about something and everyone swallows it like it's gospel.
Our future is Agger and Skrtl as the CB pairing, but we need another LB before the windown shuts as kelly (who is the obvious 'young' choice') is more of a RB.
As above, mis-read your first post
I think the main problem with zonal marking is people moving through zones, can leave confusion as to what you should be doing and therefore leaving people with free headers etc
I agree Agger and Skrtl and the CB pairing, i think Agger is good as well to tell the truth, the problem lies with the wing backs
Johnson clearly isnt a defender, when kuyt goes (and i expect he will do) they should buy a right back, or play Kelly there, and move johnson into right midfield where he will be much much better
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Apologies if it wasn't clear but I meant that Poulsen wasn't ready to fill Masch's boots in the likely 4-5-1 formation that we would have used if he were fit.
No worries, can see how i read it wrongly though based on your post
Even if it was a stupid thing for me to say Although he was invisible on the pitch, haha
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I dont get the massive issue you have with Johnson Strick
He didnt have a great game last night but dont think he was the main reason for us getting beat. City had most the success down their right (against Agger). Johnson is an attacking LB and will get caught up field at times, its part of his game and should be accepted and the rest of the team should be set up to cover for this - so this is via Kuyt either sitting slightly if Johnson goes ahead or Lucas being the defending midfielder and covering.
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Can you elaborate on the bit in bold please? Just so I can be sure i understand what you are saying?
Zonal and man to man both have there positives and negatives, the reason zonal failed us last season was down to the players understanding of it and a general lack of confidence throughout the team. We had the best defensive record for years with zonal marking before last year, I just dislike the way the 'experts' on sky make there mind up about something and everyone swallows it like it's gospel.
Our future is Agger and Skrtl as the CB pairing, but we need another LB before the windown shuts as kelly (who is the obvious 'young' choice') is more of a RB.
As above, mis-read your first post
I think the main problem with zonal marking is people moving through zones, can leave confusion as to what you should be doing and therefore leaving people with free headers etc
I agree Agger and Skrtl and the CB pairing, i think Agger is good as well to tell the truth, the problem lies with the wing backs
Johnson clearly isnt a defender, when kuyt goes (and i expect he will do) they should buy a right back, or play Kelly there, and move johnson into right midfield where he will be much much better
Agreed that can be a problem, but man to man can have the same effect in a different way, it's easy to lose your man amongst all of the movement in front of you, both systems can work, it's all about being well drilled and in particular what we were missing with zonal last season was players being quick enough to react and chase the ball out of danger.
Johnson is clearly very comfortable on the ball, but he's no where near as bad defensively as people believe and he improved that side of his game alot last season, it's all about having a system that makes use of proper full backs and balance from each wing to the other, which arguably we haven't got at the moment.
[Edited on 24-08-2010 by Tom]
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I dont get the massive issue you have with Johnson Strick
Personally i think he is an average at best right back, but plenty good enough to be a winger
He gets found out defensively alot imo, out of position and also when he is in position he isn't a particularly good defender
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I dont get the massive issue you have with Johnson Strick
Personally i think he is an average at best right back, but plenty good enough to be a winger
He gets found out defensively alot imo, out of position and also when he is in position he isn't a particularly good defender
That sounds like you have more of a dislike for the position he fills than him then, getting cuaght out of position is part of his role (!). The fact that you, and others, question his defensive ability is probably down to the fact he's played in alot of teams where he's not been sufficiently covered and had to try and get back to cover his position. Yes he get's beat one on one sometimes but plenty of defenders do, he gets alot of stick for it every time.
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where is insua?
On his way out, he's not got long on his contract, some reckon he's not willing to sign another one (and therefore we want to cash in now) and some beleive he hasn't been offered one, and again therefore we want to cash in.
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ahh, heard his move to fiorentina fell though cos of injury but wasnt sure long term where he had gone
be itnerested in bridge if man city let him go ?
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ahh, heard his move to fiorentina fell though cos of injury but wasnt sure long term where he had gone
Money was the reason IIRC, they couldnt agree on personal terms.
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ahh, heard his move to fiorentina fell though cos of injury but wasnt sure long term where he had gone
be itnerested in bridge if man city let him go ?
City won't sell him to Liverpool
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may not get a choice soon - wenger identified a flaw in the fa's 25 man system, anyone can buy themselves out of a contratc if play less than 10% of games
will start seeign that soon over next 6 months imo
that said, all clubs have an unwritten rule of not signing players who have bought themselves out of their contratcs but suspect that will change with this 25 man squad thing
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ahh, heard his move to fiorentina fell though cos of injury but wasnt sure long term where he had gone
Money was the reason IIRC, they couldnt agree on personal terms.
Yeah he wanted more money than they were offering. There was talk of a move to Genoa as well, not sure where that is up to. Apparently he's got a scouse girlfriend, he's also told a fan that saw him in a restaurant that he's not going anywhere, but he's got no squad number  see what happens with that one!
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the ultimate insult
pacheco #12 - must have high hopes for him. wher eis this danny wilson lad you bought, no sign of him yet?
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ahh, heard his move to fiorentina fell though cos of injury but wasnt sure long term where he had gone
be itnerested in bridge if man city let him go ?
City won't sell him to Liverpool
I don't want bridge at liverpool.
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pacheco #12 - must have high hopes for him. wher eis this danny wilson lad you bought, no sign of him yet?
Pacheco is a quality player, will be in the first team by the end of the season imo.
As for Wilson, is only young and just signed, will play a bit in the reserves/train with the first team and be brought through gradually.
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oh i thought he was older and established, didnt realise he was a youngster
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the ultimate insult
pacheco #12 - must have high hopes for him. wher eis this danny wilson lad you bought, no sign of him yet?
Pacheco is going to be brilliant, that was one tiny positive from last night. You will see Danny Wilson in Carling Cup and not much else this year, he's 4th/5th choice CB.
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