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They've got 100kg to last a race. They can carry more, but if they use over the 100kg it's DQ.

So if you carry 105kg for example you can be sure to finish the in lap and have enough for the sample, but an FIA flow meter will measure how much you use lights to flag.


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Pretty sure I heard you have to complete your in lap too, no more stopping at the side of the track after the race to make sure you have your sample
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Nice run down of the figures

Fastest laps of Bahrain Test One
1. Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 1:33.283, New Soft tyres, Day Four.
2. Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 1:34.263, New soft tyres, Day Three.
3. Kevin Magnussen, McLaren, 1:34.910, New supersoft tyres, Day Two.
4. Jenson Button, McLaren, 1:34.957, New soft tyres, Day Four.
5. Nico Hulkenberg, Force India, 1:36.445, New soft tyres, Day Two.
6. Fernando Alonso, Ferrari, 1:36.516, Used soft tyres, Day Two.
7. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 1:36.718, New soft tyres, Day Four.
8. Felipe Massa, Williams, 1:37.066, New soft tyres, Day Three.
9. Esteban Gutierrez, Sauber, 1:37.180, Unknown tyre compound, Day Three
10. Valtteri Bottas, Williams, 1:37.328, Unknown tyre compound, Day Two.

Bahrain test, Day One timesheet:
1. Nico Hulkenberg, Force India, 1:36.880, 78 laps
2. Fernando Alonso, Ferrari, 1:37.879, 64 laps
3. Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 1:37.908, 74 laps
4. Kevin Magnussen, McLaren, 1:38.295, 81 laps
5. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 1:40.224, 14 laps
6. Adrian Sutil, Sauber, 1:40.443, 82 laps
7. Robin Frijns, Caterham, 1:42.534, 68 laps
8. Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso, 1:44.346, 5 laps
9. Romain Grosjean, Lotus, 1:44.832, 8 laps
10. Felipe Massa, Williams, No time, 5 laps
11. Jules Bianchi, Marussia, No time, 3 laps.

Bahrain Test, Day Two timesheet:
1. Kevin Magnussen, McLaren, 1:34.910, 46 laps
2. Nico Hulkenberg, Force India, 1:36.445, 59 laps
3. Fernando Alonso, Ferrari, 1:36.516, 97 laps
4. Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 1:36.965, 85 laps
5. Valtteri Bottas, Williams, 1:37.328, 116 laps
6. Kamui Kobayashi, Caterham, 1:39.855, 66 laps
7. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 1:40.340, 59 laps
8. Jean-Eric Vergne, Toro Rosso, 1:40.609, 58 laps
9. Esteban Gutierrez, Sauber, 1:40.717, 55 laps
10. Romain Grosjean, Lotus, 1:41.670, 18 laps
11. Max Chilton, Marussia, 1:42.511, 17 laps.

Bahrain Test, Day Three timesheet:
1. Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 1:34.263, 67 laps
2. Jenson Button, McLaren, 1:34.976, 103 laps
3. Felipe Massa, Williams, 1:37.066, 60 laps
4. Esteban Gutierrez, Sauber, 1:37.180, 96 laps
5. Sergio Perez, Force India, 1:37.367, 57 laps
6. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 1:37.467, 44 laps
7. Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso, 1:38.974, 57 laps
8. Pastor Maldonado, Lotus, 1:39.642, 26 laps
9. Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull, 1:40.781, 28 laps
10. Marcus Ericsson, Caterham, 1:42.130, 98 laps
11. Max Chilton, Marussia, 1:46.672, 4 laps
12. Valtteri Bottas, Williams, No time, 55 laps.

Bahrain Test, Day Four timesheet
1. Rosberg, Mercedes, 1:33.283, 89 laps.
2. Button, McLaren, 1:34.957, 66 laps.
3. Raikkonen, Ferrari, 1:36.718, 81 laps.
4. Nasr, Williams, 1:37.569, 87 laps.
5. Maldonado, Lotus, 1:38.707, 59 laps.
6. Perez, Force India, 1:39.258, 19 laps.
7. Ricciardo, Red Bull, 1:39.837, 15 laps.
8. Vergne, Toro Rosso, 1:40.472 19 laps.
9. Kobayashi, Caterham, 1:43.027, 17 laps.
10. Ericsson, Caterham, 1:45.094, 4 laps.
11. Sutil, Sauber, No time, 7 laps.
12. Bianchi, Marussia, No time, 5 laps.

Total number of tyre sets used:
199 (5 sets of the supersofts; 37 of the softs; 89 of the mediums; 51 of the hards; 17 of the winters).

Longest runs completed:
16 laps on the supersofts; 16 laps on the softs; 22 laps on the mediums; 22 laps on the hards; 9 laps on the winters).

Total laps by each team during pre-season
Mercedes - 624
McLaren - 541
Ferrari - 538
Williams - 498
Sauber - 403
Force India - 359
Caterham - 329
Toro Rosso - 193
Red Bull - 137
Lotus - 111
Marussia - 59

Total laps by each engine manufacturer during pre-season
Mercedes - 2002
Ferrari - 1000
Renault - 770

Approximate kilometres by each team during pre-season
Mercedes - 2935 km
McLaren - 2564 km
Ferrari - 2544 km
Williams - 2403 km
Sauber - 1926 km
Force India - 1715 km
Caterham - 1621 km
Toro Rosso - 943km
Red Bull - 684 km
Lotus - 568
Marussia - 277.

Approximate kilometres by each engine manufacturer during pre-season
Mercedes - 9618 km
Ferrari - 4747 km
Renault - 3816 km
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worrying for red bull
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Some decent FOM footage of testing, almost catches Kimi running out of talent

http://youtu.be/zNcZQpSmizs
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Thing is if the first few races turn into public testing for Renault they could easily have a big dummy spit and walk away leaving 4 teams with no supplier. Not saying that will happen but it has potential too.


Don't be soft

They cannot walk away mid season, the wrath of Bernie is far more dangerous than a year of bad performance.

If they bow out after 2014... oh look, there's Honda.

Renault have invested bajillions on this engine, they will make it work. Maybe not by Australia or even by the end of the season - but it will work and it'll be strong.

Renault have been the most successful manufacturer in the last 10 years so they've got the skills and resources. I wonder if they've suffered with not really having a proper "works" team. I know RBR are the works Renault team by name, but it's clear that Newey and his team have poorly coordinated with the Renault engineers.


Further to this, Cosworth are now rumoured to be back for 2015. That makes sense really, as they did much of the dev work for 2014 then simply couldn't find a team. If they've got most of the legwork done, and now some interested parties (ex Renault teams maybe? ) then we could see them back again.


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Thought this was quite an interesting graph from the test just gone. Rosberg's race sim shows how consistent he was lapping, suggests he wasnt struggling with tyre deg and his lap times were faster than that of the Ferrari and Mclaren (obvs dont know the fuel loads of the Mclaren and Ferrari but i assume Merc were running it in full 100kgs race spec)

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This is exactly the kind of lap graph that F1 teams and engineers study as it shows patterns of performance. Dots that sit low in the graph, indicate a faster lap time, whereas ones higher up indicate a slower lap.

In this case what you are looking for are groupings of laps together, particularly on longer runs if the dots stay relatively consistent and don’t rise up as you look to the right. This is an indicator of pace and that the car is looking after its tyres well and is not suffering particularly bad degradation. You can clearly see this with Rosberg’s penultimate run where the lap times are relatively flat, rather than sloping steeply upwards.

JA on F1 Technical adviser Mark Gillan, former chief operations engineer at Williams, prepared the graph and he comments: “Clearly we do not know what fuel levels were being used by all the teams, but Mercedes must be very happy with this test. Rosberg’s graph shows the clear pace of Mercedes over both the short and longer runs, with their tyre degradation being good, especially on the penultimate run.

Similarly McLaren and Ferrari have clearly done a good job with their new cars, but appear to have a bit to do to catch Merc’s general pace.


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Seems a bit same old story today so far. Merc engined cars going well. Ferrari, meh. Renault not good at all.

Caterham have hardly been out since they stopped in the morning. Lotus have packed up for the day and Red Bull had a decent start but havent been seen since lunch, apparently still struggling with cooling/ER issues. Still havent managed more than 12 laps in one run.

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Williams 127 laps today Dark horses?
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Williams 127 laps today Dark horses?


Lets hope so!! Would be great to see them at the front again
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Is the red bull stuff all for show? Are they really that far behind or will they suddenly come out on race day 1 with a fully functioning car?
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Definitely not for show. Not a chance.
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Redbull sandbagging tbh

Far too much marketing at stake to fanny around to this level. Infiniti/Renaults' marketing departments will be going through hell at the moment.


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I can't hel but think they will turn up at the first race and demolish the other teams.

That's probably due to 4 years of borefestness.
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Put a bet on then Ben, you'll get some cracking odds.

You could just give me the money though to save time.
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Heard some interesting news today from RB.

Looks like they are making a new chassis to try and solve some problems. They really are struggling but they have a lot of resources. Seems like they are really in the shit!


Also shows how much money they have, as I'm sure your aware they have a bladder bag for the drinking system in the car. Redbull have just put in a order for 8 for ever race meet so they don't have to drink out of them more than once. That is over £60k for the season just on the drink bag system. Can't remember the exact wording that was put but along the lines of "our drivers are to precious to us to be drinking out the same bags" Crazy!
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So hard to do a "B spec" this year, it's not like they can just bolt the new rule aero on a 2013 chassis. The engine mounting and stuff is completely different.

I reckon we should expect a B spec at Barca.


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Seems they've just given up on long runs and are just doing short ones to stop it breaking.

Mixed day for Merc today, early stoppage for Lewis, then smashed in a fair few laps but had to end early with a gearbox issue. Mclaren spent a fair few hours fixing theirs too. Another good day for Force India and the Ferrari has looked reliable today
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I can easily see a surprise team in the top 3 at the first race due to all the DNFs
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Redbull sandbagging tbh

Far too much marketing at stake to fanny around to this level. Infiniti/Renaults' marketing departments will be going through hell at the moment.


Doubt it no such thing as bad publicity really. The fact they are not performing means they are getting more airtime and pics then any other team so pushes there advertising up

I agree long term they won't want bad performance but short term it keeps the brands high in terms of air time
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Well Red Bull have surpassed themselves today. Total distance completed: 4 corners
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I do really hope williams keep this pace and reliability into the season they deserve to be back at the top
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Williams have just done a few quali style runs. 1.34.4 and 1.34.8 (not sure which tyre yet). Still over a second off what Rosberg achieved on the Softs at last weeks test.

Agree Cole, would be nice to see them back up there. Not too up there though, just behind the Merc would be nice

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Kyvat also did a quali style run for Torro Rosso but could only manage 1.36.1 on the supersofts
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Well Red Bull have surpassed themselves today. Total distance completed: 4 corners


Horner has had to deny rumours that vettel has had a big dummy spit.

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