Phil321
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Yes, the Pinto is far from the finest engine ever yet its still found in loads of Westies etc
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Rob H
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Originally posted by vibrio
or the fact that it's cheap and there are tuning parts around for it. like the pinto engine etc etc.
Suppose there's that way of looking at it, but then why have loads of companies decided to make tuning bits for it?
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Mattb
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How do you rate it against the 2.0 16v VW engine that was put in the mk3 GTi. Also 150bhp.
fcukin abismal engine im afraid, in an even worse car
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Marc
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Like for like performance:
Golf GTi 16v
150bhp 134mph 0-60 8sec 32mpg
Astra GSi
150bhp all i can find!!!
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vibrio
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quote:
Originally posted by Rob H
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Originally posted by vibrio
or the fact that it's cheap and there are tuning parts around for it. like the pinto engine etc etc.
Suppose there's that way of looking at it, but then why have loads of companies decided to make tuning bits for it?
or the fact that it is a compact unit, light and well suited to small cars like the kit car. (info provided by a 3rd party who will remain known as Jeff)
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vibrio
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and are we forgettign the Fiat twin cam engine. yes Daimo seems to think that the C20XE is the only engine ever to be used in motorsport
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Gavin
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i believe the same golf gti engine is used in the seat ibiza's GTI
pew pew pew pewwwww
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Marc
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detuned i believe though.
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Daimo B
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quote:
Originally posted by 16vmarc
Like for like performance:
Golf GTi 16v
150bhp 134mph 0-60 8sec 32mpg
Astra GSi
150bhp all i can find!!!
GTE was 155bhp
0-60 in 7.4
134mph in Astra, 138mph in Calibra
Bought 35mpg average
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Daimo B
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quote:
Originally posted by vibrio
and are we forgettign the Fiat twin cam engine. yes Daimo seems to think that the C20XE is the only engine ever to be used in motorsport
No, just the most widley used.
But with your racing background and far superior inteligence you should know the answers?  
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Marc
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quote:
Originally posted by Daimo B
quote:
Originally posted by 16vmarc
Like for like performance:
Golf GTi 16v
150bhp 134mph 0-60 8sec 32mpg
Astra GSi
150bhp all i can find!!!
GTE was 155bhp
0-60 in 7.4
134mph in Astra, 138mph in Calibra
Bought 35mpg average
So pretty similar then.
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stubbsy
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my mates uncle has a c20xe on tb's in a mk2 escort. apparently around 225bhp. i have to agree that these engines are quite commonly used in motorsport. could be because you can pick them up realy cheaply now.
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vibrio
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quote:
Originally posted by Daimo B
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Originally posted by vibrio
and are we forgettign the Fiat twin cam engine. yes Daimo seems to think that the C20XE is the only engine ever to be used in motorsport
No, just the most widley used.
But with your racing background and far superior inteligence you should know the answers?
no shit sherlock
but like I said before - engine block is small, light, easy to purcahse cheap, lots of tunning parts around.
p.s are you insinuating that your years of watching your dad race scooters and the FACT that you drives (rides???) a moped into work means that you HAVE a background in motorsport
[Edited on 16-04-2004 by vibrio]
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Paul H
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Originally posted by vibrio
and are we forgettign the Fiat twin cam engine. yes Daimo seems to think that the C20XE is the only engine ever to be used in motorsport
mate of mine used to own a fiat strada 2.0 twin cam abarth and it was well nippy for it's age
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Phil Hall
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IMO I think Toyota's 2.0 litre 3S-GE engine is one of the best ever built. Lovingly refered to by Toyota Engineers as their "sweet 16"
This double overhead cam, 16 valve engine incorporates an Acoustic Control Induction System (ACIS) to boost low end torque and provide judicious acceleration - 0-60mph in 7.3 seconds. Maximum power of 173bhp at 7,000rpm.
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jr
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IMO a series is best engine ever, been turboed, supercharged, tunned and messed with yesrd before the rest, still being used today and getting silly power out of them
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Fad
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there was a Pug 205 GTi with a XE in it on MIG a hile back imagine that would be fun
And people who say the XE is not anything special u tell me why they are one of the most osught after engines? and also has a great number of tuning doodies for it? Fair enough its an old unit now but mines great well chuffed with it
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Andy
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Originally posted by dannycorsa c
think a vr6 wud be better or 1.8 t 20v
My 2.0 Corsa can taken VR6. Very close, but then mines only a 4 pot 2.0 16v, not a VR6 2.8/9! 
Daimo - I think you're getting a bit carried away with this red top thing. Yes it's a great engine but the standard VR6 performance figures are:
2.8 - 174 bhp and 172 lb/ft of torque
2.9 - 190 bhp and 184 lb/ft of torque
A 2.8 in a lardy Golf VR6 will hit 60mph in 7.4; top speed 140mph
A 2.9 Corrado will hit 60mph in 6.7; top speed 146mph
You might just get away from the VR6 Golf up to 60, but after that he'd leave you. Against a Corrado, you'd be left behind pretty much from the start and this car handles very sweetly, so you'd be even more emabarrased round the twisty stuff. If you 'took' a VR6, he probably wasn't trying that hard.
For what it's worth, I think the red top is a great engine; very affordable, durable and good power output for its age and capacity. I also think that of the C/X16XE - the engine I have. But I'm under no illusions - a Honda 1.6 VTEC using a more modern design makes 160bhp, revs to 8.5Krpm out of the box as STANDARD. The 2L VTEC makes just under 200bhp as standard. And Honda have NEVER had a VTEC fail on them - ever!
Now that is good engine design 
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Phil Hall
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True, well thay have had one fail on them but never under warrnety.
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Andy
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Yes Phil - I meant under warranty
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Marc
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Lack of torque though
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Andy
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Honda 2 litre VTEC: 145lb/ft torque
C20XE: 144lb/ft torque
Honda 2L VTEC: 98.5bhp per litre
C20XE: 78bhp per litre
Nuff said
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vibrio
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Daimo is a gimp
Nuff said
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Marc
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you love him really.
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Marc
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quote:
Originally posted by Andy
Honda 2 litre VTEC: 145lb/ft torque
C20XE: 144lb/ft torque
Honda 2L VTEC: 98.5bhp per litre
C20XE: 78bhp per litre
Nuff said
Yeah, ill shut up now.
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