jr
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other fact you have to remember is the esscos, and the 3door/RS500 was built for racing, the cally wasnt
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Teddy
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Yes this is totally true JR.
But the ESCos - started as just a Mk5 shell - thats all it is!
BUT... sorry im not just defening Vauxhall because i do actually love them im looking at the facts.
The Vauxhall 4wd system (When working!!!) Distributs power to EACH wheel where it needs it - particularly useful for launch and in the bends, the Cossies are just a simple 50/50 spilt.
The REAL difference is the fact that the XE and LET engines are the best Vauxhall have ever bulit - BUT the YB in the Cosworth was designed as a detuned race engine the LET never was.
The YB is so easy to get power out of where as the LET you need to work alot harder to make it realiable power.
Thats the difference.
[Edited on 17-06-2005 by Teddy]
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why is this?
whats the weight of each car?
Could it be transmission related?
4x4 excellent at getting the escort moving, but sapping power once its on the trot...?
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^ this is aimed at the cav being faster
[Edited on 17-06-2005 by Ditch]
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Teddy
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I really dont know what the weight of an ESCOS is actually.
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The Escort Cosworth used a Sierra floorpan with a Mk 5 escort Shell with extended rear wings!
The shell has very little to do with the dynamics of the car, especially in the Escort Cosworths case. A standard Escort has no dynamic resemblence to the Cosworth version at all.
Lotus Carlton V's RS200 
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Teddy
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quote:
Originally posted by Stu
Lotus Carlton V's RS200
Would be interesting 
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Stu
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See if the question of Cosworth or Lotus Carlton would have been asked then it would be Lotus Carlton every day of the week!
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jr
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quote:
Originally posted by Stu
The Escort Cosworth used a Sierra floorpan with a Mk 5 escort Shell with extended rear wings!
The shell has very little to do with the dynamics of the car, especially in the Escort Cosworths case. A standard Escort has no dynamic resemblence to the Cosworth version at all.
Lotus Carlton V's RS200
That is very true, its so much a saph florplan the drainage holes on them are littrally just cut in half
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jr
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quote:
Originally posted by Teddy
quote:
Originally posted by Stu
Lotus Carlton V's RS200
Would be interesting
rs200 would have it to 60, then id imagine the lc would piss off
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Teddy
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I would estimate that also........
The RS200 wasnt a physical production car though was it?
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jr
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Well 96 production cars were built and 4 prototypes
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Teddy
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Really i thought they bulit them for rallying?
The hologation regulation states 500 road going varients need to be bulit?
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jr
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but group b didnt require 500 cars, that was group a tourings cars from memory
they reason group b went mad is becasue the fia reduced the rules and reg's
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jr
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on reserch the rs200 in evo spec on long gearing is good for 175mph
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Teddy
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That all be it then 
Bet it could do more that that........
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Filby1
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RS 500 was that the amount of cars needed to be built befor they could race them? RS500 is fater than any other Cossworth made. But would it Beet the Carlton?
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quote:
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RS 500 was that the amount of cars needed to be built befor they could race them? RS500 is fater than any other Cossworth made. But would it Beet the Carlton?
I wouldnt say it was the fastest cossie by much had potential with its four extra injectors just waiting to be used
I rember looking at the figures back in the day and i am pretty damn sure the saph had a better standing quarter and 0-60. Also reading a Revs feature about 7 years ago (when Revs was good) the Cossie wipes the floor with the Cav turbo.
At the end of the day they are both very nice cars but the Cossie does it for me
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the 3 door cossie were built for racing, the RS500 was a evo as such of the model, with the 4 extra injectors as fad says and a pick up for multi link suspension allready welded in
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I like both the RS500 and The Carlton. Nice cars in the day and still hold value. quite like The Escos too but was never a fan of the Saph or Cally.
We had one you see ant somebody took it from us there are some bad peeps around.
As for the 90's i quite like R32,33,34 Skylines lets see hwo they come accross in 20 yrs time
And of course the All Powerfull STI's and Evo's
[Edited on 17-06-2005 by Filby1]
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if you really want to know the story (shows how much work i have on  )
staurt turner (who had just returned to ford uk motorsport) took the ford md to the cosworth factory, just by luck on that day in the test bed was a 16v head for the pinto that they were developing for racing, cosworth said for racing they recko they could sell 5k a year to private customers,
turner took the md to the local pub to discuss what they were going to be doing for that year, and he said how good would it be to have a 16v pinto, with a turbo, in a siera and take it racing, thats where the project started
[Edited on 17-06-2005 by jr]
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Filby1
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My Dad aslo had a 2.8 XR4i and 4X4 not turbo or very fast but still i like them
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jr
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xr4i only had about 159 (i think) bhp but 170ish lb/ft of torque, not really enough for big heavy cars, turbo techics conversion sorts that
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Filby1
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sort of like the ford version of an XE then?
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Fad
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no thats the NA'd YB
Or poss the 16v Zetec
[Edited on 17-06-2005 by Fad]
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