AK
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vibrio
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not suprising really
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Ditch
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey24
yes 400m is a 1/4 mile richy. Robbo, the Motor journos are probably amongst the best in the world. they do literally road test everything.
those times are poo though surely??!
Clio - 15.36@149.4kmh
GTi - 15.62@149.3kmh
GTi180 - 16.02@145.9kmh
I ran consistant 15.2 in my 16year old Astra 
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Robbo
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TBH I heard/thought the GTi180 was shit in general :S
Not true, the engine is meant to be a corker, and handling is up there with the 182
Like I say just waht id heard 
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Robbo
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Do they have a webby mate?
http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/portal/alias__carpointau/tabID__84003/DesktopDefault.aspx
CHeers buddy 
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Robbo
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Originally posted by Ditch
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey24
yes 400m is a 1/4 mile richy. Robbo, the Motor journos are probably amongst the best in the world. they do literally road test everything.
those times are poo though surely??!
Clio - 15.36@149.4kmh
GTi - 15.62@149.3kmh
GTi180 - 16.02@145.9kmh
I ran consistant 15.2 in my 16year old Astra
Yeah but golf weighs shit loads an 180 is pretty heavy i think, but also the 0-60 times r shit so i suspect a poor driver 
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Phil321
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Yes, all the 0-60 times are shoot. Difficult to justify the extra 10k + for a Golf over the 182 IMO although they're obviously very different cars. 20k+ is not hatch money IMO.
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Robbo
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True but at the same time its a different class in term sof interior etc
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Cybermonkey
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Originally posted by Robbo
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Originally posted by Ditch
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey24
yes 400m is a 1/4 mile richy. Robbo, the Motor journos are probably amongst the best in the world. they do literally road test everything.
those times are poo though surely??!
Clio - 15.36@149.4kmh
GTi - 15.62@149.3kmh
GTi180 - 16.02@145.9kmh
I ran consistant 15.2 in my 16year old Astra
Yeah but golf weighs shit loads an 180 is pretty heavy i think, but also the 0-60 times r shit so i suspect a poor driver
goddamnit  Clio is around 1000kg, 206 about 1100 and golf about 1350.
Times are relative to the day, so it could of been fairly hot, the strip could have been greasy etc etc, eitherway it doesnt matter because this is a comparo shot between the 3 cars, not anything else in the world. So richy, you might find that you could only muster a 16second 1/4 mile at that particular drag strip, but got better somewhere else that was dry/less greasy/cooler etc etc. the reasons are endless.
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Cybermonkey
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Originally posted by Phil321
Yes, all the 0-60 times are shoot. Difficult to justify the extra 10k + for a Golf over the 182 IMO although they're obviously very different cars. 20k+ is not hatch money IMO.
As Robbo said, the Golf is in a different league when it comes to the interior and build quality/materials.
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Phil321
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Is it 10k different though (13k by the time you get leather etc in the Golf)? I wouldn't class the Golf as a hot hatch really any more (although I'm not sure which class it would fit in!).
A hot hatch should be cheap, light, no frills and quick. I would love a Golf (and might have got one had I been able to find a test drive) but IMO they're probably not worth the money.
The two aren't comparable. I read a review of the 182 Cup whilst deciding if I wanted one. The final line said that judgement one whether its the best available hot hatch should be reserved until it could be compared to the uprated Cooper S Works. WTF? The Cooper S they tested cost 25k, the Clio costs 11k.
Hot hatch market is now two distinct parts.
Still, the Clio and the Golf are the two best in each category.
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Cybermonkey
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Originally posted by Phil321
Is it 10k different though (13k by the time you get leather etc in the Golf)? I wouldn't class the Golf as a hot hatch really any more (although I'm not sure which class it would fit in!).
A hot hatch should be cheap, light, no frills and quick. I would love a Golf (and might have got one had I been able to find a test drive) but IMO they're probably not worth the money.
The two aren't comparable. I read a review of the 182 Cup whilst deciding if I wanted one. The final line said that judgement one whether its the best available hot hatch should be reserved until it could be compared to the uprated Cooper S Works. WTF? The Cooper S they tested cost 25k, the Clio costs 11k.
Hot hatch market is now two distinct parts.
Still, the Clio and the Golf are the two best in each category.
A hot hatch doesnt necesarily have to be featherweight to be a hot hatch, as long as it has the power and composure to pull it off. And the GTi does. Very Well. Also, gone are the days of optional stereo and carpet 
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Stu
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My car didnt come with a stereo as standard!?
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Cybermonkey
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well done for driving a shed
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Stu
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well done for driving a shed
Good one!!!
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Cybermonkey
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you know im only jokin, i drive a Camry Wagon 
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Stu
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey24
you know im only jokin, i drive a Camry Wagon
I gathered!
Nowt wrong with a Camry Wagon! Whats a Camry Wagon?
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Cybermonkey
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Camry estate 2.0 16v though, good for 140bhp. its old skool so not that heavy, gets power down well and beats all the gimps in suzuki swifts with chromes
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey24
there is a review in my monthly car mag Motor, with these 3 cars up against each other. At the moment, the 182 and GTi180 reign supreme in the hot hatch sector. The Clio is most favoured out of the two though. Was a good article, with both merits awarded to performance and design.
Out of the three, the GTi180 lacked off the pace of the other two, but not by much at all. The Clio was fastest from a standing start to 100kmh, and also fastest on the 1/4 mile, just shadowing the GTi. However, the GTi was favoured as the best hot hatch out of the 3, simply because of its superior build quality, gutsy torquey engine, and amazing gearbox. They say in the review that the gearbox is one of the best this year, and that includes supercars like Porsche.
It is interesting to note that on a rolling start, the GTi is quicker than the 182 to 100 km/h, and manages to maintain ahead on the 1/4mile. probably down to the buckets of torque available in mid range. it will get beaten off the lights though by the Clio.
When it comes to handling, the Clio is still dominant and extremely well composed at all speeds. The GTi faired very well too, although suffered a fraction from too much squirm thanks to its 1340kg weight. Thats 300kg more than the Clio, and 200 more than the GTi.
I must add though, the GTi interior is lovely, bar the tartan trim seats. Dials are really funky, and speedo goes up to 300kmh Its also $5000 more than the Clio though.
0-100kmh
Clio - 7.23secs
GTi - 7.76secs
GTi180 - 7.93secs
0-400m
Clio - 15.36@149.4kmh
GTi - 15.62@149.3kmh
GTi180 - 16.02@145.9kmh
Dave
thats shocking times lol
clio is sub 15s the new golf GTi is sub 15s the 206 180 is not quick though both the clio and the new golf GTi are sub 7s to 60 and sub 17s to 100mph.
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Robbo
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Indeed Vibs they are but like Dave says, endless reasons...
also Phil is the Cup REALLY £11k ?? tatsa an amazing price if true!
Although the Golf is £20k and leather is a £1.5k option
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vibrio
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golf is a rip off
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Robbo
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Not at all, tis a class above anything in its field in terms of interior, build quality, reliability etc
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Mark Petty
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Originally posted by Robbo
Indeed Vibs they are but like Dave says, endless reasons...
also Phil is the Cup REALLY £11k ?? tatsa an amazing price if true!
Although the Golf is £20k and leather is a £1.5k option
You can pick a new cup for £11995
Bargain money
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Robbo
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indeed
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