Meat-Pie-SRI
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my friend got a 1.8T engine for his ibiza Cupra for £500 from a breakers. 33,000 miles and in perfect working order, should be pretty cheap to get a bottom end for one!
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danny-corsa
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looks like the con-rods bent or the gudgeon pin is fucked but you'd need to check. other than that replace the exhaust valve, piston, and manifold. but i cant see how the manifolds cracked.
but check the folower compresses b4 you put it back together.
if the follower cant compress, the valve will stay open a bit. and it sounds like something like that has happened to urs
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Dave Helium
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wish i can find one for that sort of money! theres a place selling the short engine brand new for 800
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danny-corsa
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or as said, get an engine from a scrappy cos it wont take much to get the rest of that one out
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Dave Helium
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just went and had another look and the manifold has got 2 hairline cracks where it bolts onto the turbo i think!
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Dave Helium
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yea i think i might just try and see if i could get a whole engine from scrapy with less miles than mine since mine is high
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danny-corsa
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probably better off getting a second hand engine then. a turbo manifold, and parts connected to the piston are normally quite expensive for any car. and you'll need to buy a headgasket set aswell
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Dave Helium
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yea looks like ive got alot of phoning to do 2morrow! and knowing my luck all the engines will be down south since i live in aberdeen
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jr
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Originally posted by danny-corsa
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Originally posted by heliumhead
this is what volkswagen said on my invoise! found cylinder 2 low, removed cylinder head, found exhaust valve and manifold cracked and no2 piston low
exactly my point how hard is it to change an exhaust valve, manifold, and sort out the low piston? it dont need a new engine at all
[Edited on 12-08-2005 by danny-corsa]
obviously you know fuck all then
VW quote a new engine, as hour per hour its cheaper for the customer, saying it dont need a new engine at all just proves you have no idea how the process works
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jr
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thats bollocks 
VW dealers can simply not diagnoise something like that just to earn a bot of bonus
with engines, that are exchange units like these, its is more cost effective for the cusotmer to pay for an exchage engine, that for them to pay of the laubou to stip it down, and change the bits, it actully come to less, there fore helping the customer, and not riping them off
not really.
i used to work for a main dealer and ive seen repairable engines just get passed off as fucked cos the mechanic makes his money and so does the dealer.
at the end of the day some mechanics would rather get 8+ hours to be fitting an engine, than 4+ hours stripping it and changing 1 component.
+ if your working on an engine job all day you dont get the shit jobs off the shelf, like re-fitting seat covers or something
you really dont get it
the book figure from VW uk will be more fitting the sperate parts that it will fit a whole engine, therefore the cost cheaper
we worked out that it came to £150 less last time for a complete engine, rather than a rebuilt one
i would rather have the new engine than a rebuit one
also with VW VQM processing the tech cant just price up an engine becasue he feels like it, you have to give a valid reason why, and prove reports of comprssions tests etc etc
just saying, oh VW want to rip you off is silly and shows no thought
i can ensure you no tech likes doing engines, and its the last resort if they say it needs one
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vibrio
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sounds like a heat problem
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Cybermonkey
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jr, how can you be so sure that each dealership/VW service garage is the same?
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jr
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jr, how can you be so sure that each dealership/VW service garage is the same?
Because after 12month they all have to go through VQM processing, which is VW qulaity managment, its very very difficult to get through, but it means each dealer has to abide by the same rules and regs, and if they fail, the dealers get a fine
so its in the intrest to pass it and keep to it
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Paul H
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1st thing i would do is get the sump off and take that piston out.might give you a bit more of an idea on cost
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Paul H
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also have you tried on here for a second hand lump
clicky
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SVM 286
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does any1 have any idea what could of exactly happened here? cheers
It would appear that someone has removed your cylinder head and placed it in the boot along with various other items of important engine bay orientated componentry.
Now, while excellent for weight distribution, this will lead to a substantial loss of compression, plus fueling and ignition difficulties which will inevitably result in serious idling problems and a severe lack of performance.
Sorry Helium, am in a rather silly mood.
What goes on? Why she got head in boot?
If you can divulge whatever info you have I will endeavour to assist
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SVM 286
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Sorry HH, just read rest of thread.
Was the car running when you took it to the garage?
Did the dealer do a compression leak test?
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SVM 286
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Just re-examined the pics - it would appear that the valves have hit the piston crown on No.2, poss No.3 aswell, would I be correct in this assumption?
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Rob H
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Originally posted by SVM 286
Just re-examined the pics - it would appear that the valves have hit the piston crown on No.2, poss No.3 aswell, would I be correct in this assumption?
Dont think so, if you look at some of the other pics it looks more like discolouration of the piston, not sure why, but its on the inlet side from what i can make out, so could be due to the petrol "jet washing" the piston so to speak as it enteres the chamber. Could also be that the pistons are slightly pocketed to aid valve clearence, although the whole piston is dished to perform that job by the looks of it  .
As for the whole time and labour to fix, or replace engine when you consider it needs both top and bottom end work doing to it, it stands a good chance that it'd be cheaper to change the whole engine. Also considering the milage of the engine, it would proberbly be more benificial to change the whole unit, rather than patch up the old one.
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Mattb
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quote:
Originally posted by jr
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey
jr, how can you be so sure that each dealership/VW service garage is the same?
Because after 12month they all have to go through VQM processing, which is VW qulaity managment, its very very difficult to get through, but it means each dealer has to abide by the same rules and regs, and if they fail, the dealers get a fine
so its in the intrest to pass it and keep to it
you can loose the franchise over VQM..
HH, what mileage is your motor on?? looks like youve had a bit of valve and piston contact
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jr
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Oops, forgot to say if you fail twice i think you lose the franchise, lke matt says
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StuartVRS
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hmm, thats not a pretty sight. Hard to know what caused that though 
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Skinz
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what was the engine doing then? was it running rough?
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Dave Helium
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it was running fine but just making a chapping noise
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Mattb
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had it had a recent cambelt? what mileage...
could have skipped a tooth or two
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