Robin
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seth's vomment wasnt a joke i dont think...
carnoissuercraig had one too, well, an x14xet, and he had looooads of trouble
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Steve
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16XE runs far too high compression for a turbo, will need drastic modifications to the head, pistons etc to take a turbo conversion properly
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DarrenGSi
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when karen just got hers and had pics up then said she had a problem, i said the reliability of 1.6 turb/charged would be crap and got slated for it :laugh:
ah well
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L30 SCT
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Originally posted by Steve
16XE runs far too high compression for a turbo, will need drastic modifications to the head, pistons etc to take a turbo conversion properly
so why are these kits made by company's if they dont work?
well my head is going away in the next couple of weeks to get ported,polished and what ever else that needs done to it.
is this not why low compression pistons were designed to prevent the high compression
[Edited on 13-05-2006 by L30 SCT]
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Steve
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low compression pistons are a start, nobodys saying they dont work, any engine can have a turbo bolted on, its the reliability in question here
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L30 SCT
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well has anyone actually done it properly.
basically what i plan on doing is
mantzel inlet (replica)
dastek unchip
full system exhaust
sbd cambelt roller
steel con rods
low compression pistons
upgrade valves,lifter,seats etc..
m-vaux turbo kit
newman 288 cams
ported and polished head
vernier pulleys
crank knife edged.
lightened flywheel
helix clutch
intercooler
oil cooler
enlarged radiator
cool running thermostat
and anything else that i may need on the way
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Steve
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what kind of boost will you be running?
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L30 SCT
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i am only planning running it on low boost until i no everything works fine then start to increase it if everything is ok
what do you think about that spec steve.
like i said in my other post i am open to any ideas and will be putting pics up of my progress as i go along.
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Steve
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that may take a low pressure setup ok, the main problem is you can make the engine capable with enough cash thrown at it, but then youve got to ask yourself the question is it cheaper to fit a let thats designed for it
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Rick Draper
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quote:
Originally posted by L30 SCT
well has anyone actually done it properly.
basically what i plan on doing is
mantzel inlet (replica)
dastek unchip
full system exhaust
sbd cambelt roller
steel con rods
low compression pistons
upgrade valves,lifter,seats etc..
m-vaux turbo kit
newman 288 cams
ported and polished head
vernier pulleys
crank knife edged.
lightened flywheel
helix clutch
intercooler
oil cooler
enlarged radiator
cool running thermostat
and anything else that i may need on the way
Only things i would add to that list are cometic head gasket, uprated injectors, different management (DTA pro etc) and some proper spec cams from piper for a C16xe that has been turbo'd. Also i would not bother with a larger radiator, a standard one is fine for a LET corsa.
Then IMHO you could run high boost very safely.
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L30 SCT
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well there is a tigra on migweb that is running 245bhp and 260lb of torque, with basically the same spec as that.
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Adam_B
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why dont you just fit a c20let? i cant see the cost being that much different surely 
[Edited on 13-05-2006 by Adam_B]
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Dave A
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a proper 1.6 turbo will produce around 180 bhp and cost £3000 plus. it will never be reliable.
for the same money you can get the same power from tb's without the reliability issues and is a tried and tested method.
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Rick Draper
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave A
a proper 1.6 turbo will produce around 180 bhp and cost £3000 plus. it will never be reliable.
for the same money you can get the same power from tb's without the reliability issues and is a tried and tested method.
Sorry but a properly built and spec'd 1.6 turbo would be no more unreliable than a 1.6 on TB's. People just have to be prepaired to spend the money to get the results.
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SetH
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quote:
Originally posted by L30 SCT
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Originally posted by SetH
if it was courtenay 3 gaskets sandwiched together 
dont think anyone found that funny. can we get back to the topic now.
UNLUCKY my boy, It was not a joke, courtenay use 3 headgaskets sandwiched together to change the compression ratio so 
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broster
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if i was to do it id have to go down low comp pistons, forged rods, management etc
then seems i have them, throttle bodies aswell.......... its the obvious answer..... i see it happening soon
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L30 SCT
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quote:
Originally posted by SetH
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Originally posted by L30 SCT
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Originally posted by SetH
if it was courtenay 3 gaskets sandwiched together
dont think anyone found that funny. can we get back to the topic now.
UNLUCKY my boy, It was not a joke, courtenay use 3 headgaskets sandwiched together to change the compression ratio so
what compression does it run with the three gaskets like?
will low compression pistons not sort the ratio out?
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SetH
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well obviously lower compression but not sure what the exact ratio is, some people say that it is a bodge job. basically years back when i wanted to turbo my GSi at courtenay a few people on here talked me out of it and convinced me otherwise.
Looking at the engine spec you have listed, i think you will pull it off, but it's going to cost. At least you will have somethign different than a LET.
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timrud_
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Out of the three options (LET, 1.6 TB's and 1.6 Turbo) I see the 1.6 turbo as the most risky route.
Like has been said, done properly it has potetial to be a cracking engine. I'd see it as a quite big risk, when other more well trodden paths are available.
But well done for wanting to try something different! 
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L30 SCT
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quote:
Originally posted by SetH
well obviously lower compression but not sure what the exact ratio is, some people say that it is a bodge job. basically years back when i wanted to turbo my GSi at courtenay a few people on here talked me out of it and convinced me otherwise.
Looking at the engine spec you have listed, i think you will pull it off, but it's going to cost. At least you will have somethign different than a LET.
i have done a ruff price on everything and it comes to around £3500 which isnt much more than doing a LET if it was t be done properly aswell.
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L30 SCT
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quote:
Originally posted by timrud_
Out of the three options (LET, 1.6 TB's and 1.6 Turbo) I see the 1.6 turbo as the most risky route.
Like has been said, done properly it has potetial to be a cracking engine. I'd see it as a quite big risk, when other more well trodden paths are available.
But well done for wanting to try something different!
rite since no one thinks i should go down the route of the turbo. can someone put prices and web pages up for throttle bodies and a good spec that i can work to.
cheers
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Wrighty
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turbo on a 1.6-simply not worth it
go for TB's
edit: i would also be interested in looking at TB's for a 1.6
[Edited on 14-05-2006 by Wrighty]
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timrud_
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Jamsport I'd say.
Though we could do it for you if you came to us with a spec list?
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timrud_
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Infact here you go...
http://www.sbdev.co.uk/Taper%20Kits/New%201.6L%20Taper%20Kits/1.6L%20TP%20kits%20introduction.htm
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Teddy
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You all say dont do a turbo etc...
But your all forgetting one thing....
Turbo (and Smoothie's did run right for quite a while) gives the amount of torque TB's could only ever dream off!!!
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