willay
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i give up with you two, keep reccommending decent solutions but theres no point if your company is going to shit itsself about cost.
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Melville
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No need to give up on me 
Ive just finished working on a project for our company that set them back £30k on IT equipment, installed by a professional compnay though.
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Bart
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ouch.
trouble is, we are a small company... family company should i say.
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willay
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must have an IT budget thou?
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Bart
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yes... and i have bought most people a new computer, a new A3 laser printer, my self some cool toys and cd printing printer for my downloaded cds and a colour A1 inkjet.
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willay
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some cool toys eh and a cd printer.
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Dom
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tbh willay, getting an HP server is a bit overkill unless you have a 100+ client accessing it all the time, theres no reason to go spending 100s or 1000s on setting up a storage system for a small company.....
Personally, i would replace your 1000 snap servers and ebay it for a 2200/2000 and just replace the drives - can pick a 2200 for around 60-90 quid which is a bargin for a snap product.
Otherwise, go down the linux route on a basic box (doesn't exactly need to be server spec or raided for that matter) and use FreeNas/Ubuntu/(linux OS + samba) and a few drives.
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Bart
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hmm.. ive been enticed into this little quote.. certainly a few k more than ive been told i can have (about 5 to be exact) but i will try and push my luck.. if anyone has any other suggestions, or similar/better deals, please say:
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System
Quantity
Description .
Unit Price Quantity
Discou
nt
Net *1 1 PE2900 Xeon 5060 3.2GHz/2x2MB 1066FSB 2,450.00 2,450.00 2 English - Documentation and UK/Ireland Power Cord 1
3 Server Tower Chassis 1
4 2GB FB 533MHz Memory (4x512MB single rank DIMMs) 1
5 No second Processor option 1
6 No Floppy Drive Option 1
7 146GB SAS (10,000rpm) 3.5 inch Hard Drive 3
8 PERC 5I Integrated Controller 1
9 16X IDE DVD-ROM Drive 1
10
Non-Redundant power supply (1 PSU) 1
11
No Monitor Required 1
12
Broadcom 2Port TCP/IP Offload Engine (TOE) Enable 1
13
Logitech USB 2 Button Mouse & Mouse Pad with Dell Logo 1
14
UK/Ire (QWERTY) - Dell Quietkey USB Midnight Grey Kybd 1
15
English - Microsoft Small Business Server 2003, Standard (SP1), 5 CALs 1
16
OpenManage Server Software, with CD & documentation 1
17
Upg to Silver 3Y (24x7) Premier Enterprise Support 1
18
You have chosen not to take the Dell PowerEdge installation service 1
19
Base Warranty 1
20
1YR BASIC NBD ONSITE 1
21
No rack rails option 1
22
C4 - RAID 5 PERC5i Cntlr 3-8 HDD 1
23
PowerEdge Order - United Kingdom 1
*2
4 1 PE1800 - SATA - Xeon 3.0GHz/2MB 800FSB - RoHS Compliant 1,760.00 1,760.00 25
English - Documentation and Rack Cord 1
26
Rack Chassis Option 1
27
2GB Single Rank DDR2 Memory (4x512MB) 1
28
No second Processor option 1
29
Floppy Not Required 1
30
160GB SATA (7,200rpm) 1in Hard Drive, 1st Drive only 1
31
2 x 160GB SATA 1 inch (7,200rpm) Hard Drive, 2nd Drive only 1
32
CERC SATA RAID Controller, with 6 channels (Kit) 1
33
16X DVD-ROM Drive 1
34
Non Redundant power supply - RoHS Compliant 1
35
No Monitor Required 1
36
Logitech USB 2 Button Mouse & Mouse Pad with Dell Logo 1
37
UK/Ire (QWERTY) - Dell Quietkey USB Midnight Grey Kybd 1
38
English - Microsoft Small Business Server 2003, Standard (SP1), 5 CALs 1
39
OpenManage Server Software, with CD & documentation 1
40
Upg to Silver 3Y (24x7) Premier Enterprise Support 1
41
You have chosen not to take the Dell PowerEdge installation service 1
42
Base Warranty 1
Dell Products Quote
Dell House
The Boulevard
Cain Road
Bracknell
RG12 1LF
Telephone: 0870 907 4000
www.dell.co.uk
VAT Reg. No GB 635 8235 28
Page 2 of 2
Customer No. GB6017408 Quote Date 25-Aug-2006 Quote No. 74119749
Dell Products, Registered in Ireland No: 191034 Registered Address: 25/28 North Wall Quay, Dublin 1.
An up-to-date list of names of every company director containing the particulars indicated in paragraphs (a), (b) and (c)
of Section 196 (1) of the Companies Act 1963, is available on application from the registered office.
43
1Y NBD (Next Business Day) 1
44
Rapid rails for Dell & other 4 post square hole racks - PE1800 1
45
C06 ASTR5, RAID 5, Using add-In CERC SATA RAID cntlr, min 3/max 6 hard
drives
1
46
PowerEdge Order - United Kingdom 1
*4
7 5 Microsoft Windows SBS 2003 Additional 5 CAL - Device (Kit) 270.00 1,350.00
*4
8 1 PV110T 80/160GB DLT VS160 Tape Drive, int, no ctllr, inc 1 cleaning tape 560.00 560.00
VAT Summary Type Rate % Total Net GB£ VAT GB£
{VATSumType} 17.50 6,218.00 1,088.15
GB£
Subtotal 6,120.00
Freight 98.00
VAT 1,088.15
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Dom
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a lot of money that is bart - can pick up decent dual xeon servers off ebay for around a grand, seems a bit excessive and expensive to have something like that for a small company.
If it is just purely storage (and you canne be arsed, which is far enough as im struggling with linux at the mo also lol) then you can pickup a netgear 1TB box for around 800 quid, can't see the company needing anymore than that 
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Bart
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do you mean the sc101 drives?
If so, i already have a 500gb one at home, and they are very flakey to say the least.
I think they're good, useful, but flakey.
would you buy something off ebay for 1k for the company? too risky.
Plus, we would get the tech support etc
bare in mind we have no server what so ever, so we're backing up GB's over the network at night each day.
[Edited on 25-08-2006 by Bart]
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Dom
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from a few people i know that run the TB netgear NAS boxes, there pretty happy with them - run 24/7 and no problems.
Still though, if its only backing up data, i dont know why you need a server? nor a 6 grand one at that?
If you had to run company email server or database system, fair enough, but 6 grand on a server than it just going to be used as storage seems a bit silly....maybe thats me though.
If you're worried about buying something off ebay, then build one yourself - it certainly doesn't have to be a decent box to be a storage server and could save the company thousands which you could spend on some more gagets 
Personally upgrading the network to Gb standards would be more beneficial than a decent server that will spend most of its time sitting in the corner ticking over....
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Bart
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its not just backing up data, its storage device too.
We have everything stored on the servers, quotes, accounts, drawings etc. we currently have no access on any folders shared accross the network, and even alot of peoples my docs are not protected due to the fact that it needs to be backed up 
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Dom
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Thought you were backing up to the snap nas's?
But you're after storage now as well as a place to backup to?
I mean, if you had a server you could run a central domain system (network knowledge runs out about now lol) that everyones my docs are stored as well as storage for backing up before being backed up to snap boxs or another NAS system.
But it wouldn't require a 6 grand system, and looking at those specs, i dont even see where 6 grand is - considering the 3 gig xeon cpu is only 150 quid. And i would think using dual cores or dual P4s would provide better peformance over the xeons and would be cheaper for such a small company.
But it seems that your ideas have changed a bit from a simple NAS setup to a full blown server based system......
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Ian
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While its doing no processing, it doesn't need to be particularly powerful. Its not even P/BDC role etc.?
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Bart
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
While its doing no processing, it doesn't need to be particularly powerful. Its not even P/BDC role etc.?
over my head.
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Dom
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primary or backup domain controller 
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Ian
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Sorry - domain controller - ie. Active Directory or anything of that nature.
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Paul
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Specs for storage systems depend on what the usage of the storage is. If it is a high I/O application, you need to decrease the size of your disks and increase the number of spindles that you are running. The only thing with this is that you need an all singing and dancing controller to do this. However if it only a handful of users accessing small amounts of data at long intervals then fewer drives and larger drives is the way to go forward.
Can you give us any ideas as towards what the storage is being used for, number of users etc?
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willay
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quote:
Originally posted by Dom
tbh willay, getting an HP server is a bit overkill unless you have a 100+ client accessing it all the time, theres no reason to go spending 100s or 1000s on setting up a storage system for a small company.....
100+ clients?
Believe you me, a HP DL360 of some sort is good enough for 20 users or whatever without being considered overkill. You need to realise that in businesses you cant just get away with some shitty PC desktop hack, you need to implement proved out solutions that will last the test of time and have proper support.
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Bart
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well, i think it would now be benificial if we looked into a proper server with SBS and exchange.
suggestions?
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Mav 3000
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4x250GB in RAID doesn't equal 1000GB - surely its 500GB?
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Ian
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Depends how its set up but yeah, I would expect a bit of overlap.
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Bart
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Ive just got another quote from Dell for all of the above from a friend who has an account manager, 5k.
which is slightly better.
I do have a question though. The managing director would oftenly like to work from home, but doesnt yet have the internet. Will this be awkward when he wants to work on his laptop, more importantly on files in his my docs etc?
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Bart
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just had a meeting with the management, for the first time in history, ive been given a 10k budget to setup this new server system!!
with te above information in mind, recommendations? :E
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willay
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10k?
Quickly spend it!
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