Steve
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not particularly great engines but not particulalry bad engines, underpowered from the factory due to restrictions, even when you remove the restrictions there are better engines out there, the civic vti being one
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topshot_2k
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my tuned 1.6 was a joke. power right up in the revs, gutless up until then.
its an average engine imo. there is worse and there is better.
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SportBoy
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mazda make the most reliable engines imo all the others are as bad as eachother
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jr
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Originally posted by Robin
11000 miles driven HARD all the time.
Mine lasted 5 months with no water in it FFS  It only stopped working because we took the head off and didn't bother fixing it after.
and the ice in the header tank
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topshot_2k
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yes, mazdas are well exciting
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Rob B
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going off my experience, i looked after mine very well, and it was still wank.
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VegasPhil
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I always have been impressed with the 1.4 16v even though I thought they were pretty prone to HG failure!
Says the bloke with the XE 
Corsa 2.0 16v Vegas - Sold
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Vaux Lad
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Originally posted by Robin
I wouldn't call them unreliable, at least, not moreso than any other engine.
On the internet, every engine is unreliable as people only say something when they've had a bad experience with one, like with buying from a mail order company, no-one ever says "yeah, they were fantastic"
They're only underpowered as they're restricted heavily, much the same as Ford's Sigma, Renaults 1.6 16v is cack, it's only the PSA one which is any good, oh, and the Honda B16, but that's obviously the case
I think they're great, I don't know of another 1.6 engine which can give you a reliable 8500rpm, 190bhp and all on standard bottom end internals (other than Honda ones)  That to me says it's a good engine 
[Edited on 25-06-2007 by Robin]
Agreed.
And you cant compare them to hondas b16, as they "cheat" with a 2nd set of cam lobes
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SportBoy
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reliable tho .. i think french cars are boring but thats my opinion
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Vaux Lad
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Originally posted by Steve
even when you remove the restrictions there are better engines out there, the civic vti being one
Thats a completely unfair comparison. 9k revs, and cams made for high revs....
[Edited on 25-06-2007 by Vaux Lad]
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Steve
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exactly, it was designed better
[Edited on 25-06-2007 by Steve]
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Superlite Ltd.
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better than zetecs
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Vaux Lad
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Originally posted by Steve
why?
Honda engine revs MUCH higher, giving the extra power, and has 2nd set of cam lobes for full bore revs/power, vauxhall cams are for economy/driveability, and limited to 6.5k revs.
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Robin
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Originally posted by VegasPhil
I thought they were pretty prone to HG failure!
A lot of people say that 
Mine (both) were fine for ages, in fact, I don't know of anyone who had HG trouble with one.
I'm not saying it's the best engine in the world, there are definitely better engines, but as little engines go, it's not as bad as some people make out IMO.
If you have a bad experience, you're bound to think it's shit, everyone does that I had 2 great engines (one had done over 90k), so all my experience is great 
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Vaux Lad
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
exactly, it was designed better
[Edited on 25-06-2007 by Steve]
I wouldn't say better, id say differently, im sure a 16xe with good cams, and a proper inlet, and the ability to rev to 9k, it wouldn't be far from a b16 
Its like comparing a 6000rpm 8v, with a standard cam, to a 9000rpm revving 8v with a race spec cam(which is basically what the vtec stage is)
[Edited on 25-06-2007 by Vaux Lad]
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SportBoy
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there just all the same to me ... tin pot 1.6s even the 2.ltrs are only as fast as the 1.6s .. just me .. never liked french cars car or car scene .. dont get me wrong i know there good cars .. well some of them are but take citroen ... to me there dead on there arse .. no decent hot hatch .. and dont dare say a c2 .. there pants
edit ... thought stevewonder was asking me why lol
[Edited on 25-06-2007 by SportyBoy]
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topshot_2k
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Originally posted by SportyBoy
reliable tho .. i think french cars are boring but thats my opinion
how can you say that some of the best handling cars are french
Clio Williams
Renault 5 GTT
172
182
106 gti
205 gti
306 gti-6
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Steve
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quote:
Originally posted by Vaux Lad
quote:
Originally posted by Steve
why?
Honda engine revs MUCH higher, giving the extra power, and has 2nd set of cam lobes for full bore revs/power, vauxhall cams are for economy/driveability, and limited to 6.5k revs.
exactly, so honda lump is bettered designed for performance? and they are stronger.
if you want economy buy a diesel
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SportBoy
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quote:
Originally posted by topshot_2k
quote:
Originally posted by SportyBoy
reliable tho .. i think french cars are boring but thats my opinion
how can you say that some of the best handling cars are french
Clio Williams
Renault 5 GTT
172
182
106 gti
205 gti
306 gti-6
'opinion'
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topshot_2k
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FACT.
if you say french cars are ALL crap and boring and drive a Corsa then you are a CHUMP.
[Edited on 25-06-2007 by topshot_2k]
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
exactly, so honda lump is bettered designed for performance? and they are stronger.
They are, yes, but that doesn't make the Vauxhall engines bad
Honda make good engines, very good engines.
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SportBoy
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only car i would consider owning out of all them is a 306 gti
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Vaux Lad
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
quote:
Originally posted by Vaux Lad
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Originally posted by Steve
why?
Honda engine revs MUCH higher, giving the extra power, and has 2nd set of cam lobes for full bore revs/power, vauxhall cams are for economy/driveability, and limited to 6.5k revs.
exactly, so honda lump is bettered designed for performance? and they are stronger.
if you want economy buy a diesel
Corsa sport/gsi was never a real hot hatch though tbh, just slightly "warm" lol
Whereas the honda lump is designed for performance, im sure without having vtec/the rev range it would be no different than a gm 1.6 16v.
And look at the hondas torque, it may be able to rev like fcuk, but thats exactly what needs doing to get it move, as it makes naff all torque.
[Edited on 25-06-2007 by Vaux Lad]
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SportBoy
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Originally posted by topshot_2k
FACT.
if you say french cars are ALL crap and boring and drive a Corsa then you are a CHUMP.
[Edited on 25-06-2007 by topshot_2k]
i can assure you my car is far from boring
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Robin
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TBF, a powerful X16XE makes rubbish torque too
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