mattk
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Auto Express Magazine raced a Civic Type R touring car against a CBR 600RR race bike
The Civic won, maybe down to V-Tech!!11!!
on a larger scale of superbikes and F1 I rekon the F1 car would piss the bike
like said the conering speed is wasome!
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Nick-S
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bikes are slow round bend tbh f1 car wud kill them round a track
f1 cars may only have small brakes but there 100% carbon fiber and very very gud 
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22B
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Just found some times for this years f1 race at barcelona:
Best Lap Time in 2007 (07 Spec car): 1:21.181 Felipe Massa (Ferrari F2007) - 13 February - Note: Chicane added to the track
Moto GP : Rossi's Pole time - 1:41.840
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jimmy 2.1
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This F1 vs Superbikes in nonesense! get the vehicles right first!!
Its like comparing F1 to touring cars! SUPERBIKES are road derived bikes (although far from it i admit), but MOTOGP bikes are proper one off race bikes like F1 cars are one off race cars!
And even if we compare like for like, F1 cars are quicker round a track, even with gods like Rossi, Pedrosa and Stoner on board the GP bikes. FACT!
Thought this might clear things up! 
[Edited on 16-09-2007 by jimmy 2.1]
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22B
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quote:
Originally posted by jimmy 2.1
This F1 vs Superbikes in nonesense! get the vehicles right first!!
Its like comparing F1 to touring cars! SUPERBIKES are road derived bikes (although far from it i admit), but MOTOGP bikes are proper one off race bikes like F1 cars are one off race cars!
And even if we compare like for like, F1 cars are quicker round a track, even with gods like Rossi, Pedrosa and Stoner on board the GP bikes. FACT!
Thought this might clear things up!
[Edited on 16-09-2007 by jimmy 2.1]
read post above thats moto gp vs f1 car, on the same track this year, 20 secs difference in lap times
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silent_thunder89
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18000rpm! fuck me. lol
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22B
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quote:
Originally posted by silent_thunder89
18000rpm! fuck me. lol
19000 rpm actually 
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jimmy 2.1
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22B. READ what i've put!  I've never said a GP bike will lap quicker than an F1 car! I've said in all my posts that an F1 car would WIN!
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22B
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quote:
Originally posted by jimmy 2.1
22B. READ what i've put! I've never said a GP bike will lap quicker than an F1 car! I've said in all my posts that an F1 car would WIN!
sorry fella only skimmed through it and thought you put moto gp bikes are quicker with gods like rossi, stoner etc... DOH
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jimmy 2.1
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Finally!
As much as i am a bike fan, i know f1 cars are the fastest vehicle to lap a circuit in.
From a Standing start over a mile though, well, thats another argument!
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22B
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quote:
Originally posted by jimmy 2.1
Finally!
As much as i am a bike fan, i know f1 cars are the fastest vehicle to lap a circuit in.
From a Standing start over a mile though, well, thats another argument!
would be good to get a go in/on either, would sell a kidney to have a go in an F1 car,
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Eck
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quote:
Originally posted by jimmy 2.1
Finally!
As much as i am a bike fan, i know f1 cars are the fastest vehicle to lap a circuit in.
From a Standing start over a mile though, well, thats another argument!
Unfortunately Jimmeh... It's not
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h83HyoqYRt8
First race the car wasn't right... Second and third, the car absolutely killed it 
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Ant
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I watched a video some years ago where they raced a touring car against a superbike round oulton park think it was matt neal and foggy the touring car won.
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jimmy 2.1
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Eck, i think you'll find you've got it wrong!
I said the F1 car would beat a SUPERBIKE in a straightline, and that against a MOTOGP bike, it would be a lot closer. That vid shows F1 against Superbike
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Ant
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that video is only a quarter mile i think not sure what it would be like over a full mile
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Robin
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It also shows it over a 1/4 mile, even with the crap start the car would have destroyed the bike over a mile, I can't see a Moto GP bike being much different TBH, the car would still kill it over a mile, maybe not a 1/4 though.
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Paul_J
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F1 cars can corner far faster than bikes... Car's have 4 wheels for traction and a shit load of downforce... bikes only have 2 wheels and will just slide.
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Eck
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quote:
Originally posted by jimmy 2.1
Eck, i think you'll find you've got it wrong!
I said the F1 car would beat a SUPERBIKE in a straightline, and that against a MOTOGP bike, it would be a lot closer. That vid shows F1 against Superbike
Regardless mate, the GP rider wouldn't be able to get the power down enough to give him competition IMO.
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Paul_J
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quote:
Originally posted by Eckmcmann
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Originally posted by jimmy 2.1
Finally!
As much as i am a bike fan, i know f1 cars are the fastest vehicle to lap a circuit in.
From a Standing start over a mile though, well, thats another argument!
Unfortunately Jimmeh... It's not
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h83HyoqYRt8
First race the car wasn't right... Second and third, the car absolutely killed it
that's a super bike tho... not a moto GP bike... Watch moto GP mental.
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Eck
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
quote:
Originally posted by Eckmcmann
quote:
Originally posted by jimmy 2.1
Finally!
As much as i am a bike fan, i know f1 cars are the fastest vehicle to lap a circuit in.
From a Standing start over a mile though, well, thats another argument!
Unfortunately Jimmeh... It's not
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h83HyoqYRt8
First race the car wasn't right... Second and third, the car absolutely killed it
that's a super bike tho... not a moto GP bike... Watch moto GP mental.
0-100-0 in 5 seconds? It would take a seriously fat man to keep the power down
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Paul_J
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nah motogp bikes have so much cool gadgetry to get the power down... Like their gears expand like scooter's do haha... and traction control etc...
Seriously watch moto gp and it's like  That bike is mentally fast. Not sure how it'd compare to a f1 car in a straight line, but they are pretty mental either way.
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Paul_J
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not in english, but sums up what we're talking about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZkfJm7lv64
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Paul_J
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Ahh...
here we go...
Moto GP bike vs F1 car...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwTL1fvQKzA
A lot closer, F1 car still has it tho.
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StrawsSXi
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things is, how wide id the tyres on an F1 car?
the rears are huge.
therefore the contact patch is quite substantial. so times that by 4
gives u the amount of rubber that the an F1 car has to get the pwer down with and hold the car to the road while cornering and braking
Now, take a MotoGP bike
It has a contact patch around the size of a 50p piece of which it does its accelerating, braking, tho the atch can increase due to banking when cornering.
Also, althought both vehicles are developed in wind tunnels, the aerodynamics of a bike are to cut thru the air cleanly, therefore, while making top speed possible down a straight, they dont help it corner (the rider helps this by shifting his weight round the bike while cornering)
Now an F1 car has various and many aerodynamic devices to help it stick to the road. these help "push" the car into the ground, (think of them as upside plane wings, lol) these help the car remain stable as ait travels at high speed
(due to them only really having an effect over 100mph)
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Rob126
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just did a quick check.
for the Istanbul (turkey) track: an F1 car does it in 1.27.329 minutes (pole position 2007 - Massa) and a Moto GP bike does it in 1.52.795 minutes (pole position 2007 - Rossi).
so yes an f1 car will beat a moto gp bike easily
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