Pucci1
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yes i suppose direct x 10 is another consideration, but again direct x 10 cards are quite abit of money iirc and he has 300 pounds for the whole setup
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John
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You get dx10 cards for not much more than a 3 year old 6600gt.
Loving amd is all well and good but currently the better value is intel.
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Pucci1
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am a amd fan till i die!
but the intel does have the upper hand atm i suppose, god cant belive i just said that..
suppose i need to start rebuilding mine soon starting to get a bit slow 
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Andrew
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I'd just buy a PS3 or 360 with £300. Not going to get much for your money tbph.
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Cosmo
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I'd just buy a PS3 or 360 with £300. Not going to get much for your money tbph.
agreed. Pointless building a gaming machine for that price as wouldnt play the games very well, certainly not anywhere near how they should be.
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andy1868
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the problem with making a machine that'll only just play games now, is that in afew months time it won't play the latest games and you'll find yourself having to upgrade to play the newer games. its worth spending the extra and futureproofing yourself for at least a while 
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Liam
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The only games I really want to play are CS:S and COD4 TBH.
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Paul_J
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Ignore these chumps. You could make a PC that'd play CS:S and COD4 no sweat for £400.
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Cosmo
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Originally posted by Paul_J
Ignore these chumps. You could make a PC that'd play CS:S and COD4 no sweat for £400.
not to any decent standard really, framerates would be shocking.
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Paul_J
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£60 mobo
£100 CPU Core 2 Duo - E6550
£32 HDD 160 GB (it'll do)
£48 DDR2 - 2GB RAM
£145 - Graphics Card 512 mb - Geforce 8600 GTS
Then you may need a power supply on top... but that'll roughly be within the budget.
http://www.dabs.com/ProductView.aspx?Quicklinx=4Q0K&CategorySelectedId=11022&PageMode=1&NavigationKey=11022&InMerch=1
http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4MMF&CategorySelectedId=11147&PageMode=1&NavigationKey=11147
http://www.dabs.com/ProductView.aspx?Quicklinx=4HC5&CategorySelectedId=11154&PageMode=1&NavigationKey=11154,374830000&InMerch=1
http://www.dabs.com/ProductView.aspx?Quicklinx=4B1B&CategorySelectedId=11025&PageMode=1&NavigationKey=11025&InMerch=1
http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4R4D&CategorySelectedId=11137&PageMode=1&NavigationKey=11137,13
[Edited on 05-11-2007 by Paul_J]
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Paul_J
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quote:
Originally posted by Cosmo
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Originally posted by Paul_J
Ignore these chumps. You could make a PC that'd play CS:S and COD4 no sweat for £400.
not to any decent standard really, framerates would be shocking.
Give me that crap. My PC's Mobo, CPU and Ram is so dated now (could pick it up for no money!) - but with a good Gfx card. and I was playing Crysis beta fine the other day, no judder, smooth as. Ok so I didn't have everything on MAX DETAIL at the highest resolution... didn't try to be honest, as I was enjoying it at it's recommended detail level and it still looked good enough.
Now the parts I've just suggested for him, beat my PC - so if mine can run this still, his will!
I hate PC gamers who insist you have to have the best spec'd stuff, and run everything on max detail, max res, max effects, max AA, etc... yeh wow it looks good, but I'm sure most people just want it to look 'fairly good' and play the game.
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Cosmo
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Originally posted by Paul_J
I hate PC gamers who insist you have to have the best spec'd stuff, and run everything on max detail, max res, max effects, max AA, etc... yeh wow it looks good, but I'm sure most people just want it to look 'fairly good' and play the game.
I didnt say he needed the best, as that would run into the thousands. But £300 (which is what he originally said) isnt really enough to spec up a PC to play these games to even half of what they really should be.
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Paul_J
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Well for as long as I've been reading, it's said £400 is his budget.
and I think you can find a pc for £400 that'll play current games (BF2, CS:S) and future games (COD4).
Just to point out to liam though... Old games like BF2 are nothing on computer's requirements compared to new games like COD 4 or Crysis...
BF2 could be run on an ancient machine, so that explains why your bro made one for £250 that runs BF2 fine.
COD4 / Crysis etc, require a good Gfx card (preferably Dx10), good cpu, (which need a compliant mobo) and good (2gb) ram...
Basically full fil the above and then fill it with any other budget componets you can find... DVD, case, etc
You may need a decent power supply depending on the requirements of the card - but you can pick up a decent enough one for about £27 - HDD's can be picked up dirt cheap.
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Pucci1
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
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Originally posted by Cosmo
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Originally posted by Paul_J
Ignore these chumps. You could make a PC that'd play CS:S and COD4 no sweat for £400.
not to any decent standard really, framerates would be shocking.
Give me that crap. My PC's Mobo, CPU and Ram is so dated now (could pick it up for no money!) - but with a good Gfx card. and I was playing Crysis beta fine the other day, no judder, smooth as. Ok so I didn't have everything on MAX DETAIL at the highest resolution... didn't try to be honest, as I was enjoying it at it's recommended detail level and it still looked good enough.
Now the parts I've just suggested for him, beat my PC - so if mine can run this still, his will!
I hate PC gamers who insist you have to have the best spec'd stuff, and run everything on max detail, max res, max effects, max AA, etc... yeh wow it looks good, but I'm sure most people just want it to look 'fairly good' and play the game.
i didnt say i was a pro gamer, i didnt say he had to max spec his pc out.
all we are trying to do is help him get decent frames and a pc that will last for a while without becoming to outdated to quickly
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Paul_J
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I didn't say you were a pro gamer either?  
I didn't see people like cosmo helping him get decent frame rates and a pc for his budget... I just saw him saying 'nope can't be done'. - which is trash.
As for going out of date quickly!
My PC is still running a AMD 3200+ (64)
that chip has to be 2-3 YEAR's old at least.
What I was pointing out is to play most games these days, the most important factor is the gfx card, as if it doesn't have support for the tech's being used in the game (bump mapping, dynamic lighting, pixel shaders, etc) - then that's what completely kills your FPS as it all gets sent to your CPU to try to figure out, which it doesn't do well.
As I say I've got an ancient CPU you could pick up for 10 pence lol - but providing the rest is ok, and you have a decent gfx card then it'll still "Play" games at a "playable" rate.
Obviously he can do much better than my ancient CPU for a budget price.
See above at my spec for him. It'll easily play games for at least a year - 18 months... ok getting close to the 18th mark he may have to have certain detail levels lower than a top machine, but as long as he can "play" the games he'll be happy.
Remember all he wants is a machine to Play games on ... Play being the key word.
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Paul_J
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This is the sort of stuff that kills your PC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns6sqtx7PPQ
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Cosmo
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see, now this is where I differ with my opinion. I never said it couldnt be done, I said you wouldnt get any half decent play out of it for that money.
As I class being able to play a game as having it at some sort of semi-decent frame rate, not so it is just about playable (which this sort of budget, in a new game such as COD4, will be). You could go out and buy an off the shelf Dell for £300 and the game would be able to play...but you wouldnt get much enjoyment out of it.
And then you have to take into account future upgradability. As throwing £3-400 on a PC now with a spec that isnt going to be easy to upgrade (which with the new chipsets all being released in the new year is easily done) will mean having to spend another £3-400 on another semi-decent rig. When you could spend say £600 now, and maybe another £200 in 18months and have a great setup still.
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Pucci1
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i have a old system
althon 64 bit 1800ghz 1gb ram 120gb harddrive i found at school (sounds like it has a petrol motor)
good psu 500 watts +
nividia xfx 6600gt card
sli mobo
but then again i play old games most graphic game i have is cs:cz lol..
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Liam
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Bump.
Just wondering how much you think I could get for my PC
2.8ghz Intel CPU
512mb RAM
80gb HDD
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Cosmo
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probably not much, new PCs can be had for fairly cheap these days, as are lower end parts, so not much of a second hand market for your standard stuff.
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Liam
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Dammit, Might be worth just trying to seel for about £50?? 
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Paul_J
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Originally posted by Liam
Dammit, Might be worth just trying to seel for about £50??
Gotta find someone who wants to buy it? 
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Liam
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Originally posted by Paul_J
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Originally posted by Liam
Dammit, Might be worth just trying to seel for about £50??
Gotta find someone who wants to buy it?
Yeh, stick in the local paper "Ideal Christmas Present" 
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Paul_J
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quote:
Originally posted by Liam
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Originally posted by Paul_J
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Originally posted by Liam
Dammit, Might be worth just trying to seel for about £50??
Gotta find someone who wants to buy it?
Yeh, stick in the local paper "Ideal Christmas Present"
Your best bet is old people who just want a PC for surfing the net.
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Liam
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What do you think to this spec.....
Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 2.20GHz Socket 775 800FSB 2MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor
(£74.46 inc VAT)
Antec TruePower Trio 430W PSU - With 3x 12v Rails 120mm Fan
(£40.34 inc VAT)
ASUS P5B Socket 775 Core 2 ready P965 chipset onboard audio ATX
(£59.54 inc VAT)
Corsair 2GB Kit (2x1GB) DDR2 675MHz/PC2-5400 XMS Memory
(£36.49 inc VAT)
Western Digital WD3200AAKS 320GB SATAII 16MB Cache 7200 RPM - OEM
(£42.13 inc VAT)
Sapphire X1950GT 256MB GDDR3 DVI-I TV Out PCI-E Graphics Card
(£75.71 inc VAT)
Samsung SH-S203B 20X DVD±RW/RAM / DL Serial ATA Black Bare Drive - OEM
(£17.77 inc VAT)
Samsung TS-H192C 48x Black CD-Rom - Bare Drive OEM
(£4.69 inc VAT)
Thermaltake Soprano VB1000BWS Black Mid-Tower Case with Side Window - No PSU
(£48.29 inc VAT)
£399.62
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