MoesTavern
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not really, Jones jr was sceduled to fight clazahge sereral years ago but pussyed out "due to money". Back 5 - 10 years ago there wernt many fights who would match with him, In this case it isent warren to blame ( i know warrens a fraued and likes to build up a fighter, However its a bit differnt with calzaghe)
kessler , and lacy were not shite
5 years ago there was Toney, Roy Jones, Glen Johnson, Hopkins etc (whatever the reason why it didn't happen) the fights were there but Joe never got involved, Warren certainly is to blame for that.
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smack
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all above fighters were fighting in light heavy, as said jones was offered the fight but "pussyed out"
warren isent to blame for the lack of top fighters calzaghe fought imo
the devision was generelly pretty weak
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You beat what's put in front of you and that's all you can do, it's all promoter led politics most of the time
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Originally posted by smack
all above fighters were fighting in light heavy, as said jones was offered the fight but "pussyed out"
warren isent to blame for the lack of top fighters calzaghe fought imo
the devision was generelly pretty weak
agreed the division was weak, a lot of the top dogs in the light heavy wouldnt fight Calzaghe, was too much of a gamble/risk for the payday they would have recieved as Calzaghe was not well known in the states by the general boxing fan.
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Meh, you say the fights weren't there, I say they were. I just feel Joe's potential as a great has not (and now will not) be realised. he is a great fighter, 90 percent of his opponents haven't been so he will never get the respect he deserves. I mean what the FUCK was he doing fighting Manfredo? pointless.
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Originally posted by MoesTavern
Meh, you say the fights weren't there, I say they were. I just feel Joe's potential as a great has not (and now will not) be realised. he is a great fighter, 90 percent of his opponents haven't been so he will never get the respect he deserves. I mean what the FUCK was he doing fighting Manfredo? pointless.
the fights against top opponents werent there, none of the top dogs of the light heavy division wanted to take the risk against Calzaghe for a small pay day as Joes name wouldnt bring in enough revenue for the American audience at the time, so the risk didnt warrant the reward. Thats what stopped a lot of prospective fights.
Fighting Manfredo sums up Frank Warren in general he likes to protect his fighters and doesnt often take a risk. I agree Calzaghe is a great boxer, slick, great feet and a good ring tactician combined with a good chin makes him a formidable opponent for anyone to come up against
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I think it's a bit of a cop-out answer to be honest, I find it hard to believe that every decent fighter around (Jones, Johnson etc) was scared of Joe and wouldn't fight him, I feel it's more of a case of Warren protecting his career by matching him with non-entities.
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calzaghe is a home fighter through and through
he only wants to fight in america so he has some coin in the bank. he would like to continue as undefeated but he said ya never no any 1 can do anything on their day
oh yeah calzaghe will hopfully beat the bloke
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fucking PPV  
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smack
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again as said, johnson and jones were in light heavy, they aint gonna drain down and drop a weight for little money to fight someone "who was barley know of in the USA"
the reason he fought manfredo was to get a more bigger name across the waters, (obiviouse too it was a wank warren easy match)
name me some top fighters who could of fought him in that catorgry for cheap???
also name serveral top fighters that hopkins hasent really fought too many big names, yeh hes fought a few jones being one of them and he got his ass handed to him
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he could have stepped up rather than them stepping down, he's been champ for 10 years, and please tell me you're joking about Hopkins he's fought just about everyone of note over the course of his career.
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names?
why would calzaghe step up? from his perfect weight?
p.s glen johnsen isent and wasent even that good
joe was sceduled to fight johnson , but he lost to woods in the 3rd fight
[Edited on 15-04-2008 by smack]
[Edited on 15-04-2008 by smack]
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What, names for Hopkins you mean? Jones Tarver Wright De La Hoya Taylor Joppy Eastman Trinidad and now Calzaghe.
Calzaghe is stepping up now isn't he? It was a viable option for years rather than staying where he was and fighting bums.
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but even if he had gone up a weight, who would of fought him? the money wasent there even if he had gone up
again as said there were plans of a calzaghe - johnson fight but jonhnson fucked up.
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but even if he had gone up a weight, who would of fought him? the money wasent there even if he had gone up
again as said there were plans of a calzaghe - johnson fight but jonhnson fucked up.
Like I said I'm not convinced of that but I suppose we'll never know. The fact that Johnson was going to fight him kind of proves my point though doesn't it?
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Can you order Setanta just for this fight?? Or do i have to enter into a contract?
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fucking PPV
thought it was on normal Setanta 1??
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Russ
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which is ppv unless you have cable.
i hope Joe lays the cunt out.
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Marc
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£5m for fighting 
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Jas
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what time is it starting... the calzaghe fight that is
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http://www.livesportontv.com/sportindex.php?id=12
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4am
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Calzaghe FTW
Even more so after hopkins with his racist comment the fucking coon 
FLOL at the PC
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SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET IN! serves you right you cheeky yank.
SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!
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