AlexW
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Because its gone between cylinders, Not between a water or oil way.
Do you understand?
Its quite common as they have a metal head gasket.
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Chris x
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Originally posted by AlexW
Because its gone between cylinders, Not between a water or oil way.
Do you understand?
Its quite common as they have a metal head gasket.
Ahh I see!
Yeh I understand, wouldnt have a fucking how to do a HG though. Thats where my limits start 
Another thing, when doing the compression test, there was smoke-blowing noise coming out of cylinder number 3 when testing 2 visa-versa where as 1 and 4 made no noise at all.
Is that another sign of HG?
[Edited on 10-11-2011 by Chris x]
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AlexW
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Yes!
If you have basic mechanical skills, a torque wrench and can buy or borrow the tools needed for timing chain, Its not bad to do.
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Chris x
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Yeh I know my way around a car, done and engine change and built my Land Rover e.t.c. but have never felt confident taking an engine apart
I have all the tools, not sure about the tools for the timing chain?
What parts do I need? I assume I wouldnt need to get the head skimmed?
How much do you think a garage would charge?
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AlexW
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As for parts....
Full head gasket set
Timing chain kit (Very good idea to do it while its off)
Oil filters etc obviously.
It would be a good idea to get it skimmed to clean it up, I pay £30/40.
The special tools to do the chain are about £40 IIRC.
Good idea to get a haynes, I done my 12v (Very similar engine) and there was nothing hard about that.
As for garage charge, £400+ I'd assume.
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Chris x
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Ok Alex, cheers for that!
Can you recommend where to get the kit? Vaux (Genuine), ebay, decent OEM makes?
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jay26
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Use vauxhall parts for timing chain bits other stuff is poor quality imo
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Chris x
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Have bought this so far:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230698984776?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330619176006?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140345140491?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Just looking at that again, thought I had bought Gen chain kit. Guess not 
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AlexW
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Ah too late. I have a decent chain kit here
Should be alright though, Just have a look at it all when you get it and be sure its good quality.
Just take your time with it all, If you need help you know where to ask.
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Chris x
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Ahh fuck!
Nice one, will wait for all the bits to turn up and make a start! Thanks!
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mike0491
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Have you done the pedal fault code test by any chance to determine the problem(s)
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Chris x
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Yes mate, came up with cam pos sensor and missfire.
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mike0491
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replace the coilpack and camshaft then lol
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Chris x
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Read the thread
The HG is fucked!
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mike0491
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Too much effort to read
What you doing, replacing the HG?
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Chris x
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Yahhhh
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Chris x
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Right, Torqueing the heads bolts up...Apparently I need a angled torque wrench.
I dont have one of them, only a normal torque wrench.
Can I torque them up and then estimate the angle after torqueing them, or use a protractor e.t.c?!?!
Any ideas?
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willay
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You could just fluke it yeah.
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Chris x
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Got all technical and made a 60 degree angled piece of paper
Got the head back on, and new timing chain kit fitted, will time it up tomorrow and give it another compression test. Fingers crossed!
Old HG was fucked between 2 & 3!
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AlexW
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Glad I was right 
Yeah If I'm working on my own car and rushed for time I fluke it or make up a bit of card.
Turn it over a few times before cranking it
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Chris x
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Yeh will do!
You sure were! Thanks alot! 
Will get it timed up tomorrow, turn it over by hand and do another compression test.
Before taking the old head off, the timing on the engine wasnt matching with the haines manual, so we adjusted it so it matched the manual, did another compression test and got 210psi on 1 & 4 cylinders. Do you think the timing was out slightly aswell which may be why it was throwing up the cam sensor?
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AlexW
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Jeez, Could well be. I assume the valves all looked fine?
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Chris x
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Well they were in the head, we didnt get it skimmed as it cleaned up well  . Nothing was tapping before taking it apart and the timing chain wasnt loose and the cams wernt loose on the sprokets :S
[Edited on 18-11-2011 by Chris x]
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Chris x
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They were flush in the head is what I meant, what PSI should I be getting on a healthy engine?
Pistons also looked clean, no knocking or damage witness marks on them.
[Edited on 18-11-2011 by Chris x]
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AlexW
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Probs fine then, Was just slightly out.
As for compression, 200+ But it depends on the engine.
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