Graham88
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Originally posted by Welsh Dan
And exactly how many tube trains have derailed in the last 10 years causing massive injury or death?
Last death of a driver, was 1984, when he drove into the train in front in fog. Most, it not all of the deaths on the underground are by people jumping (or being pushed) onto the tracks.
And you'd be able to cope with that would you? Cause I know plenty of people who've had to be let go or even took their own lives because they can't live with it. I guess that's all taken into account when pay rate for train drivers is discussed.
If you are so annoyed about it then get off your arse and in youer dead end job and do something about it.
But I had the chance to go for the job and I turned it down, I don't really fancy pulling into a platform and wondering whether somebody is going to jump infront of me.
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Russ
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what do you do Dan and what do you earn?
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Graham88
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It is a bit more money than I earn, yes. But they still don't deserve it. There are hundreds of people that could do their job, just as well. And triple time, and a day in lieu on a bank holiday? Give it a rest. They stop work at midnight and don't have to work half the unsociable hours that lots of other people do.
Erm, trains get moved around at night aswell?
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John
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Holding a lever on a train is not complicated and does not deserve that salary.
I however would not be complaining if it was me.
As Dom said, some pilots don't get that and it willl have cost (most) a second mortgage worth to get there.
day in day out, in a tunnel all day long? sounds worth the money mate.
It would be massively boring, it's something you can get paid loads for going in with no skills, which is a bonus for unskilled people.
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Graham88
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I very much doubt you'd get the job with no skills. Plenty of people apply for the jobs with years of rail or signalling experience, they'll get the job way before no experience will.
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jacko198
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It is a joke tbh, as said, pulling a few levers and getting paid that, couldnt believe it when i first heard!
I dont think there is 1 thing that can justify how much they get paid to start with. 3 times pay and a day off in lieu, GTF
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sc0ott
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I find the price of tickets more shocking than this.
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Welsh Dan
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so you are slagging them off then gave examples of two horrendous things a train driver may face
The only two things. And if it happens three times, and they get pensioned off. So whilst i'd not imagine that its a nice thing to deal with, its not one of those things that happens to every driver. And yes, I have had to deal with several suicides. Admittedly, not from people jumping in front of my car/train/lorry/rollerskates, but i've still had to deal with them. And telling the family, loved ones etc.
And I don't have a dead end job. Its a job for life, with good prospects. I enjoy my job, most of the time. I get a reasonable wage, but on the scheme of things, either i'm underpaid, or the tube driver is overpaid. I've got a good idea which one it is....
A close friend of mine was one of the first coppers on scene to the Tavistock Square bombing and had to deal with some of the most horrendous stuff I could ever imagine. And he gets paid less than £44k and has a far more dangerous job than any bloody tube driver.
[Edited on 22-12-2011 by Welsh Dan]
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Dom
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As usual, people bring out the jealously card when others disagree 
I don't think anyone here is jealous of a tube driver; it's more of the case of why the hell are they whining and striking when they already have a piss-taking 'cushdy' of a deal. Certainly I've yet to see anything that warrants the salary and benefits that is offered to tube drivers when compared to lesser paid more skilled, dangerous, stressful professions like short-haul pilots.
To be honest, i'm more annoyed/disgusted by the fact that the TFL allow this type of bullshite in the first place.
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Originally posted by John
As Dom said, some pilots don't get that and it willl have cost (most) a second mortgage worth to get there.
Sister-in law's uncle flies for Easyjet, get's naff all benefits (contracts) for £35k 
[Edited on 22-12-2011 by Dom]
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Russ
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Originally posted by Welsh Dan
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so you are slagging them off then gave examples of two horrendous things a train driver may face
The only two things. And if it happens three times, and they get pensioned off.
oh in that case
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Welsh Dan
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Originally posted by Russ
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so you are slagging them off then gave examples of two horrendous things a train driver may face
The only two things. And if it happens three times, and they get pensioned off.
oh in that case
It was meant in a "what else do they need to worry about" way.
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Dom
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Russ, thanks for the sarky input to this discussion; but why do you think tube drivers are worth £44.5k and 43 days annual holiday?
[Edited on 22-12-2011 by Dom]
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Paul_J
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This whole thread makes me laugh. 
People saying 'it's a joke they get paid that for pulling some levers'
There are far more joke jobs earning that much in offices imo - people who push emails about all day, or try to make up new regulations in their company just so they have some paper work to do.
If you looked into the public sector you would find a lot of people in pointless jobs who have basically created themselves a position and due to there being less regulation on efficiency in the public sector - it's allowed to go on.
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Welsh Dan
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Absolutely.
However, they aren't flaunting in peoples faces quite as much, and threatening tube strikes which inconvenience hundreds of thousands of people, not to mention put peoples lives at risk.
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AlunJ
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Kicking a football around once a week isn't dangerous but I don't see many people complaining about the millions a year they make... Anyone who thinks its just about pushing a lever hasn't got a clue, not just anyone could do the job, hence the intense aptitude testing, near enough a years training, having to know what to do in any out of course situation, the list goes on.
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A years training? That's nothing - see my previous post.
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Graham88
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Ok so you keep mentioning 43 days annual leave, so you must all about get 25-27 days leave yes? Plus bank holidays of automatically, well nobody in LUL gets bank holidays off, hence it's included in the holiday. But then all the media perceive that at is the fact we get lots of holiday, but we barely get anymore than normal. I prefer it that way tbh.
But that's just a small part of things that doesn't get explained and it looks bad, but once explained it's actually quite realistic. I can't even be bothered to go into stuff when I'd say 90% of people in this thread just believe the media. If you were actually in the job you'd realise there's a little more to it than 'pushing a lever'.
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Russ
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Russ, thanks for the sarky input to this discussion; but why do you think tube drivers are worth £44.5k and 43 days annual holiday?
[Edited on 22-12-2011 by Dom]
I don't. But I'm not moaning about it lol
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Dom
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Yes there are 'silly' overpaid jobs everywhere, football and office jobs included. But this is about tube drivers and transport so lets keep it on track (no pun intended).
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...Anyone who thinks its just about pushing a lever hasn't got a clue, not just anyone could do the job, hence the intense aptitude testing, near enough a years training, having to know what to do in any out of course situation, the list goes on.
So you're saying tube drivers are worth the £44.5k and 43 days annual leave all because they have to undertake not-quite a years training, aptitude testing and an exam or two?
As I say again, short-haul pilots go through a lot more than that and take on a fair amount more responsibility for a lesser salarly and benefits. Granted there is the potential to earn more but that's why i say short-haul pilots rather than commercial pilots, as generally they tend to get shafted.
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Dom
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Originally posted by Russ
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Originally posted by Dom
Russ, thanks for the sarky input to this discussion; but why do you think tube drivers are worth £44.5k and 43 days annual holiday?
[Edited on 22-12-2011 by Dom]
I don't. But I'm not moaning about it lol
Nice one 
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Jake
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. I work in rail and I've seen drivers fired for silly mistakes.
like what?
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ed
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Sister-in law's uncle flies for Easyjet, get's naff all benefits (contracts) for £35k
... and you can be a Flybe Q400 driver and only get about £22k-£24k after you've spent £80k of your own money getting trained up and you're operating a very complex bit of kit!
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Ok so you keep mentioning 43 days annual leave, so you must all about get 25-27 days leave yes? Plus bank holidays of automatically, well nobody in LUL gets bank holidays off, hence it's included in the holiday. But then all the media perceive that at is the fact we get lots of holiday, but we barely get anymore than normal. I prefer it that way tbh.
But that's just a small part of things that doesn't get explained and it looks bad, but once explained it's actually quite realistic. I can't even be bothered to go into stuff when I'd say 90% of people in this thread just believe the media. If you were actually in the job you'd realise there's a little more to it than 'pushing a lever'.
Usual Billy Bob on the street will get 36 days including the standard 8 days bank holiday; why is a tube driver entitled to an extra 7 days?
And they're wanting triple pay and time in lieu for working a contracted day 
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Originally posted by Dom
Sister-in law's uncle flies for Easyjet, get's naff all benefits (contracts) for £35k
... and you can be a Flybe Q400 driver and only get about £22k-£24k after you've spent £80k of your own money getting trained up and you're operating a very complex bit of kit!
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Worst thing about the job is not being able to go for a piss or a shit when you want tbh.
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ed
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There are lots of jobs where you can only piss and shit at certain times.
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