Balling
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Originally posted by evilrob
is unfair to review a developer preview box as though it were a finished product.
I'm guessing they sent it out for reviews, thus deeming it ready to be reviewed. Don't see anything unfair about it.
I also don't think that the potential to be better actually makes it any better.
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You'd be all over it if it were Apple m8.
The whole world would be raving about it if it was apple.
It certainty wouldn't have scored 3.5 
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evilrob
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Originally posted by evilrob
is unfair to review a developer preview box as though it were a finished product.
I'm guessing they sent it out for reviews, thus deeming it ready to be reviewed. Don't see anything unfair about it.
No, they absolutely didn't send it out for review. They were really pissed off about it actually:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-04-05-ouya-responds-to-negative-reviews
http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/5/4189184/ouya-says-pre-release-console-not-ready-for-review
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Originally posted by Balling
I also don't think that the potential to be better actually makes it any better.
What does this statement even mean?
[Edited on 28-06-2013 by evilrob]
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Originally posted by Gary
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Originally posted by Nath
You'd be all over it if it were Apple m8.
The whole world would be raving about it if it was apple.
It certainty wouldn't have scored 3.5
true enough
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Balling
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No, they absolutely didn't send it out for review. They were really pissed off about it actually:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-04-05-ouya-responds-to-negative-reviews
http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/5/4189184/ouya-says-pre-release-console-not-ready-for-review
I wasn't aware of that. In that case it's a dick move on the reviewers part and absolutely unfair, completely agree.
But why were they sending out preproduction models to customers in the first place? I might be missing something.
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Originally posted by evilrob
What does this statement even mean?
You were arguing against my statement that it sounds like a horrible device by saying it would be better. That might be the case, but that doesn't make it any better in its current state, does it?
Again, I didn't get that we were talking about a preproduction model, but it still sounds horrible from the description.
[Edited on 28-06-2013 by Balling]
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why were they sending out preproduction models to customers in the first place? I might be missing something.
This product came about through Kickstarter. The people that got their units earlier in the year were those that signed up as developers for the platform. So the unit that was reviewed by the Verge was intended for developers to start getting to grips with it and bash out some software.
I backed the project as a normal consumer, not a developer - mine still hasn't turned up yet! I backed the project because I like the ethos, even if this version of the hardware sucks, I applaud the vision to allow independent developers to get their games on the television without having to give Sony or Microsoft (or Nintendo to a lesser extent) thousands for a dev kit / license /etc.
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Gary
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Agreed
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Balling
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Originally posted by evilrob
This product came about through Kickstarter. The people that got their units earlier in the year were those that signed up as developers for the platform. So the unit that was reviewed by the Verge was intended for developers to start getting to grips with it and bash out some software.
I backed the project as a normal consumer, not a developer - mine still hasn't turned up yet! I backed the project because I like the ethos, even if this version of the hardware sucks, I applaud the vision to allow independent developers to get their games on the television without having to give Sony or Microsoft (or Nintendo to a lesser extent) thousands for a dev kit / license /etc.
That makes the preproduction models make sense then, thanks for clearing that up.
While your backing is noble I'm sorry to say I also find it a bit naive.
The whole situation reminds me of the issues surrounding the PS eye for PS4.
Also, it's worth mentioning that Sony are working actively to accomodate the needs of indie developers:
http://gamer.blorge.com/2013/02/23/indie-devs-flock-to-ps4-to-self-publish-how-the-witness-became-ps4-exclusive/
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You can't go around calling people naive because they choose to give money to causes they agree with, even if it's likely to fail.
I also give money to cancer research charities - which probably won't succeed in curing the disease in my lifetime - is this also naive?
A year ago, when I backed this, Sony were not so embracing of indie developers. I wonder if the initial outpouring of support for Ouya has turned their hand a little / opened their eyes to the demand in this respect - in which case my $99 has done some good. You're welcome.
[Edited on 28-06-2013 by evilrob]
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Balling
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You can't go around calling people naive because they choose to give money to causes they agree with, even if it's likely to fail.
Of course I can, absolutely. Just like you can call me a pessimist for not believing in it. Which to be fair, I probably very much am.
Either way I didn't mean it as an insult. Optimism and naivety often go hand in hand and I don't think we would evolve much without either, so again, kudos for backing something you believe in.
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Originally posted by evilrob
I also give money to cancer research charities - which probably won't succeed in curing the disease in my lifetime - is this also naive?
Did you just compare cancer research with a commercial product? An entertainment system?
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Originally posted by evilrob
A year ago, when I backed this, Sony were not so embracing of indie developers. I wonder if the initial outpouring of support for Ouya has turned their hand a little / opened their eyes to the demand in this respect - in which case my $99 has done some good. You're welcome.
I can't deny there could be some truth in this. Personally I think it's more to do with the success of smartphones as gaming platforms (which the OUYA is also a child off), but thanks anyway for having everyones back.
I hope you don't take this as me trying to piss on your parade, which I get the feeling you do.
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