Steve
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Registered: 30th Mar 02
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dont know actually, i think it must have been an early one as it had quite a bit of mileage and was s/c not turbo
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Nath
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Registered: 3rd Apr 02
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Shut up Steve.
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Ojc
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Registered: 14th Nov 00
Location: Reading: Drives : Clio 197
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Not a chance, look how much quicker mine was than yours.
Infact what reg was it? Might be earlier one with longer gears
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Ojc
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You really are clueless sometimes
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Graham88
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Steve, I'll bring my Missus one out and we'll have a race.
I'm not saying it wouldn't be close, but I don't believe that it was noticeabley slower than yours.
[Edited on 23-08-2012 by Graham88]
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BarnshaW
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it was 100% slower graham
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Ojc
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Not a chance, I'll fight him.
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smcGSI16V
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Registered: 26th May 03
Location: Farnborough Drives: Thurlby 888 CDTi No.98
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quote:
Originally posted by Nath
Shut up Steve.
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Eck
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Registered: 17th Apr 06
Location: Lundin Links, Fife
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
Iv driven both, and it is 100% slower through the gears up to about a ton
people forget that mine only weighs 830kgs its not just "had some back seats removed" and has a very close ratio box
Do you believe that a very close ratio gearbox will always make you quicker? 
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Ian
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Registered: 28th Aug 99
Location: Liverpool
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As a Puma owner I have to say
I'm not arsed about hearing about Pumas in a Mini thread.
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mwg
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Jesus wept. A Cooper is probably faster, never mind an S.
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mwg
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I use Total Mini, don't really go on very often though.
Tried Mini2 and the moderators on there are ridiculous. Posted photos of my car linked from my CS garage and got told I wasn't allowed to do that, I had to upload them as attachment. So I told them to GTF, deleted the thread and haven't been on since.
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Toby
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Just driven a JCW cooper s and was suprised at how capabale a car it is.
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Steve
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Registered: 30th Mar 02
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i dont know what peoples issue with what i said was, my car has a higher bhp per ton, wheres the unreasonable logic?
The only reasonable argument iv had was based on torque, which the mini does have more of, but as already stated in a light car like mine torque wont make much more for a difference
it may have been as ojc said a longer geard one i have no idea, but i have just been driving the puma around all evening and it flies i think most of you would be surprised how quick it is, for what it is.
End of the day i merely made a fleeting comment, but as usual people are so desperate for my car to be shit and no good at anything have argued about it until its turned into a massive debate and problem. Sit back and think about the figures and save yourself some stress
[Edited on 23-08-2012 by Steve]
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Ojc
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What you are saying is poo poo. Don't you have a vid of us at Nurburgring when even on eibachs I pwned u? On coilovers the car was even better
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Steve
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Mate my car was practically standard u Twat its totally different now
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mwg
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I think my car would be faster
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Ojc
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I'll fight u
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smcGSI16V
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quote:
Originally posted by Ojc
What you are saying is poo poo. Don't you have a vid of us at Nurburgring when even on eibachs I pwned u? On coilovers the car was even better
I've got almost a whole lap on you tube of me following you and trying to keep up, catching up and you pulling away in the mini at nurburgring.
Much faster than some crappy old 90's hatchback.
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Steve
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No need for the insults is there iv not called anyone's car crap
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Steve
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Id like to know your reasoned argument though as to why car A cannot be faster than car B when it has more bhp per tonne and works on a principle of being light where torque doesn't have much impact and has a much shorter box
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SimonTW
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Annnnyway. Back on topic!
A few of the lads from the cliquey Mini Torque forum have set up there own Mini Performance/Track Day orientated forum.
www.trackmini.com
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Eck
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Why did you ignore my comment about gearboxes? If two cars are identical except one has a shorter ratio gearbox, you think it'll always win? Just like you are waving about bhp per tonne like its the be all and end all
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Steve
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What other variables are there then? Torque? We have discussed that, and yes two identical cars the one with the closer box will accelerate faster. So I'm still waiting to hear why the mini has to be faster? The answer is already in this thread, stu said it, "a 90s crappy hatchback" that's all that is going through your heads rather then looking at the facts your simple minds are overruling your logic
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Eck
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Jesus fuck How can I put this in a way that you can comprehend as obviously you're the one not looking at all variables.
An example from ek9.org where a guy expected to be faster because he had a closer ratio gearbox but wasn't, was due to the ratios. If you have a gearbox that's too close then you'll lose all advantage in gear changes.
Edit: to expand; yes you will technically accelerate faster, but if you have to change gear 5 times compared to 3 times on another car, the advantage is wasted.
[Edited on 25-08-2012 by Eck]
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