Jimbothebarbarian
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That taxi driver (I think it's a taxi) needs to buy a lottery ticket if he got out of that unscathed. Shit the fooking bed!!
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DaveyLC
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Flying is no less-safe than its been before, the Media are just on the band-wagon at the moment.. Check out wiki for annual lists of serious commercial aviation crashes and you'll see this isn't even a particularly bad last 12 months.
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Nic Barnes
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im flying to germany next month. im not worried.
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DaveyLC
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As for the cause a little bit of me suspects this might be another crash caused by un-secured loads or a bad center of gravity.
Similar to what happened to this 747:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lksDISvCmNI
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JonnyJ
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quote:
Originally posted by DaveyLC
Flying is no less-safe than its been before, the Media are just on the band-wagon at the moment.. Check out wiki for annual lists of serious commercial aviation crashes and you'll see this isn't even a particularly bad last 12 months.
2014 was the safest on record i think. Just been one of those years where bizarre happenings have caught the medias attention, the disappearance of MH370, followed quickly by the shooting doing of MH17 over Ukraine meant everyone was going mental about flight safety when in truth, its safer than its ever been.
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Ian
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quote:
Originally posted by DaveyLC
As for the cause a little bit of me suspects this might be another crash caused by un-secured loads or a bad center of gravity.
Similar to what happened to this 747:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lksDISvCmNI
Remember that when it happened, so graceful but so utterly disastrous. 
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Jambo
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B52 crash was similar in a way also. In Vegas IIRC
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baza31
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Taxi drivers will do anything for a whiplash claim these days
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Dave
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Originally posted by ed
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I'm not sure, he's clearly losing altitude and it could be that the left wing stalled causing it to roll like it did. It looks like the number 1 engine is out, although I'm on my phone and it isn't too clear. Still should be able to climb on the other engine though, assuming that was still working.
Depends on whether an engine quits after the decision point but before the safe rotation speed. I forget which V this equates to, but on multi-engine aircraft there's a green line on the airspeed indicator which is your safe single engine takeoff speed.
It does look pretty nose high and a wing drop like that does indicate a stall though - scary stuff 
Either way a single engine flameout shouldn't cause this plane to crash. The distance from the airport suggests it got airborne ok, even if it lost engine 1 fairly early, I think something caused the second engine to fail too. If they were already struggling on one engine and didn't have a lot of altitude losing the second would end things pretty quickly.
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Gavin
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Originally posted by baza31
Taxi drivers will do anything for a whiplash claim these days
Imagine him ringing this one through to the insurance
"ermmm yeah, just been invovled in an accident. Yeah, ermmmm a plane hit me"
pew pew pew pewwwww
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SVM 286
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Poor bastards.
Heroic effort on the part of the pilot if it was his actions that got it in the river as opposed to a selection of buildings.
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nibnob21
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Last words from the pilot were apparently 'Mayday mayday engine flameout'.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pilot-mayday-mayday-engine-flameout-094007638.html
MX5 Project Thread
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ed
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Originally posted by Dave
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Originally posted by ed
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Originally posted by Dave
I'm not sure, he's clearly losing altitude and it could be that the left wing stalled causing it to roll like it did. It looks like the number 1 engine is out, although I'm on my phone and it isn't too clear. Still should be able to climb on the other engine though, assuming that was still working.
Depends on whether an engine quits after the decision point but before the safe rotation speed. I forget which V this equates to, but on multi-engine aircraft there's a green line on the airspeed indicator which is your safe single engine takeoff speed.
It does look pretty nose high and a wing drop like that does indicate a stall though - scary stuff
Either way a single engine flameout shouldn't cause this plane to crash. The distance from the airport suggests it got airborne ok, even if it lost engine 1 fairly early, I think something caused the second engine to fail too. If they were already struggling on one engine and didn't have a lot of altitude losing the second would end things pretty quickly.
It can though - if the engine quits on the takeoff roll after the decision point (i.e. the point where you can safely abort the flight and bring the aircraft to a stop) but before the minimum single engine takeoff speed then you're in big trouble. Try to stop and you're going to hit whatever's at the end of the runway, try to takeoff and you're likely to stall.
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Dave
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That's not how it works, once you have hit V1 you are taking off and the plane will have enough thrust spare on the other engine to keep you airborne, it's a requirement for all commercial airliners.
It's also the most practiced emergency event for any commercial pilot. In this case FR24 says they got to around 1000ft normally, suggesting that's about the time they lost the first engine. Either the second engine lost power too or the pilots screwed this up.
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3CorsaMeal
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Must have taken off from a conveyor belt imo
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baza31
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Only on cs can we have aviation experts
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Jambo
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Ed has a pilots license so probably knows what he's talking about
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3CorsaMeal
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I have a pilot pen, its a Hi tec V5 Rollerball.
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MatthewR
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quote:
Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
I have a pilot pen, its a Hi tec V5 Rollerball.
Ive got Hi tecs
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Dave
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Some reports now suggesting the pilots shut down the good engine. If that's true engine 1, which isn't running in the video, was the one the pilots shut down after having issues with it on a previous flight. Engine 2, which appears to be running, had some sort of malfunction and dropped to idle, although didn't shut down all together.
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Dave
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-31162351
Pretty damning if it turns out to be true. Very similar to the Kegworth crash too.
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