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Originally posted by --ToM--
It's weird you just seem to know, I can strip an engine down and it'll be months before it goes back together due to machining work being done parts being made and ordered etc and still when it goes back together it just all kind of makes sense and falls into place!
This. It's not hard to just remember where the bolts/bits came from. And if you can't remember it's just common sense really
I always lay bolts out in the order they came off so it's easy to work out. However even in a shitty pile i can just pick them out and know what they were for.
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--ToM--
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It's the difference between knowing what your doing and not lol
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Good grief Jim!
Have you done moon miles in her, or did you just have a run of bad luck with used stuff etc, or do Corrados just eat parts like nutters?
I've put almost exactly 100,000miles on it. It's now on 230,000miles.
Tbh I didn't really need a new engine but wanted to be sure it was all nice and new. Got fed up chasing a tappy/tticking noise. it ended up turning into a full rebuild of the entire car.
During stripping I found the noise was a slight blow on exhaust manifold. 
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SVM 286
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  At least you found it and fixed it
That's some impressive bloody mileage Jimbo. No wonder she's wearing bits out! 
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Nice video mate.
Corsa 2.0 16v Vegas - Sold
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Steve
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It's the difference between knowing what your doing and not lol
Iv never found any job iv done on cars that requires much intelligence, let's not try and pretend it's difficult. Clearly there are jobs that are, such as the one in this vid, but most jobs the average bloke could do with no training and just common sense. Just most people shit themselves.
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I'd like to see you do the stuff we do in our place, we've had mechanics come in with years and years of experience and let them go because there not upto scratch, specialist stuff is a different ball game,
Lego is probably more complicated than working on a defender.
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Also it just goes to show as you classed the job in this video as a difficult one to do, i wouldn't I'd just class it as time consuming, the majority of the video is removing parts and refitting, the actuall repair job isn't difficult imo.
Not slagging the video off either before people start lol
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Steve
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Mechanics, even if worked in a garage for years, are still generally the members of society that didn't do to well in school, so that doesnt surprise me.
I don't work in the industry, yet I built that puma track car on my drive way, the bits on this defender aswell as other stuff. I'm no expert but I managed that just from going and doing it and working it out as I go along, its not hard. If it was my actual industry that I did for a living, I'd have picked this sort of stuff up within a few months, not just me either, anyone that has a medium level of intelligence, as I said, most mechanics dont fall into that category.
I rebuilt an IB5 gearbox in my living room and fitted a quaiffe diff, people kept telling me it was only something a garage or ford could do ffs
[Edited on 20-02-2015 by Steve]
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FlaFFy_91
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Mechanics, even if worked in a garage for years, are still generally the members of society that didn't do to well in school, so that doesnt surprise me.
I don't work in the industry, yet I built that puma track car on my drive way, the bits on this defender aswell as other stuff. I'm no expert but I managed that just from going and doing it and working it out as I go along, its not hard. If it was my actual industry that I did for a living, I'd have picked this sort of stuff up within a few months, not just me either, anyone that has a medium level of intelligence, as I said, most mechanics dont fall into that category.
I rebuilt an IB5 gearbox in my living room and fitted a quaiffe diff, people kept telling me it was only something a garage or ford could do ffs
[Edited on 20-02-2015 by Steve]
Bit of a cunt of a statement that to be honest.
Essentially "mechanics are the thick kids at school"
Massively not true. Fair enough I wasn't top of the class and I'm not the best with spelling or what ever.
But doing work on your own car at home on your drive way in your spare time isn't even close to being an actual mechanic.
It's a whole different world. First of all you have time constraints to do stuff quickly and efficiently. Then you have the fact your working on other people's cars, if your own wheel comes off and you crash. Your a twat. If your customers wheel comes off your in for a law suit.
Try completing one of our master tech exams or even just the yearly assessment. Then come back and tell me it's an easy job.
It's like saying yer being an I.T. Technician is piss easy. I've used word before.
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GB123
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What part of doing wheel nuts up properly is complex though?
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Steve
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Originally posted by Steve
Mechanics, even if worked in a garage for years, are still generally the members of society that didn't do to well in school, so that doesnt surprise me.
I don't work in the industry, yet I built that puma track car on my drive way, the bits on this defender aswell as other stuff. I'm no expert but I managed that just from going and doing it and working it out as I go along, its not hard. If it was my actual industry that I did for a living, I'd have picked this sort of stuff up within a few months, not just me either, anyone that has a medium level of intelligence, as I said, most mechanics dont fall into that category.
I rebuilt an IB5 gearbox in my living room and fitted a quaiffe diff, people kept telling me it was only something a garage or ford could do ffs
[Edited on 20-02-2015 by Steve]
Bit of a cunt of a statement that to be honest.
Essentially "mechanics are the thick kids at school"
Massively not true. Fair enough I wasn't top of the class and I'm not the best with spelling or what ever.
But doing work on your own car at home on your drive way in your spare time isn't even close to being an actual mechanic.
It's a whole different world. First of all you have time constraints to do stuff quickly and efficiently. Then you have the fact your working on other people's cars, if your own wheel comes off and you crash. Your a twat. If your customers wheel comes off your in for a law suit.
Try completing one of our master tech exams or even just the yearly assessment. Then come back and tell me it's an easy job.
It's like saying yer being an I.T. Technician is piss easy. I've used word before.
It really isn't like any of those analogies.
All the extra required skills you quote about doing it professionally, isn't actually about having any actual skills as a mechanic. It's more about knowing shortcuts, this is exactly the type of thing I was asking about nuts and bolts. Again not difficult to pick up when you start doing it day to day. I realise it's different from doing stuff in your spare time, I'm saying picking up the extra bits and pieces isn't hard.
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Originally posted by FlaFFy_91
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Originally posted by Steve
Mechanics, even if worked in a garage for years, are still generally the members of society that didn't do to well in school, so that doesnt surprise me.
I don't work in the industry, yet I built that puma track car on my drive way, the bits on this defender aswell as other stuff. I'm no expert but I managed that just from going and doing it and working it out as I go along, its not hard. If it was my actual industry that I did for a living, I'd have picked this sort of stuff up within a few months, not just me either, anyone that has a medium level of intelligence, as I said, most mechanics dont fall into that category.
I rebuilt an IB5 gearbox in my living room and fitted a quaiffe diff, people kept telling me it was only something a garage or ford could do ffs
[Edited on 20-02-2015 by Steve]
Bit of a cunt of a statement that to be honest.
Essentially "mechanics are the thick kids at school"
Massively not true. Fair enough I wasn't top of the class and I'm not the best with spelling or what ever.
But doing work on your own car at home on your drive way in your spare time isn't even close to being an actual mechanic.
It's a whole different world. First of all you have time constraints to do stuff quickly and efficiently. Then you have the fact your working on other people's cars, if your own wheel comes off and you crash. Your a twat. If your customers wheel comes off your in for a law suit.
Try completing one of our master tech exams or even just the yearly assessment. Then come back and tell me it's an easy job.
It's like saying yer being an I.T. Technician is piss easy. I've used word before.
It really isn't like any of those analogies.
All the extra required skills you quote about doing it professionally, isn't actually about having any actual skills as a mechanic. It's more about knowing shortcuts, this is exactly the type of thing I was asking about nuts and bolts. Again not difficult to pick up when you start doing it day to day. I realise it's different from doing stuff in your spare time, I'm saying picking up the extra bits and pieces isn't hard.
you could say that about any job?
Try being a mechanic for a week tell me how easy it is then.
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GB123
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I don't think anybody is saying that being a mechanic is easy, more that the level of intelligence that is required to do the majority of the work isn't as high as is being made out in this thread.
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--ToM--
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Typical amateur hobbyist comments, had a go at few basic jobs any cunt can do and think they can do anything.
mechanics are always classed as not intelligent just the way it is, same way teachers are classed as paedophiles
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I think it does in certain aspects, last engine I built required a lot of brain power, shimming 24 valves and doing all the clearances making sure it's sbsoloutely perfect then once all built up setting the ignition timing on a v12 quad cam with twin separate dizzys running each bank almost as a separate engine with two sets of points per dizzy where the flywheel turns clockwise and the cams turn anticlockwise was a bit of a challenge especially with limited space to work etc and getting each dizzy timed up correctly.
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Lol.. the comment of the mechanics being the 'thick kids at school' is a very broad and bold statement to make!
To put things into perspective, I left a Degree in Motorsport Engineering to take up an apprenticeship with Volkswagen and have been at the job now for around twelve years. Whilst I would agree that many of the jobs involved require very little intelligence / skill to complete and can be taught very quickly, things like servicing and general maintenance for example come into this, they are the kinds of jobs you let apprentices loose on to cut their teeth under supervision within a few months.
However, when it comes to more complex stuff, you really do need to be on form or it can end up costing you or your place of work a fair few quid in either damaged parts, lost labour sales or both, do this enough and you'll soon find yourself out of work. I would love to see someone who is self taught track down some of the faults we see, something like 'Engine control unit sender referance voltage B circuit short to ground intermittant' would stump quite a few people. Or perhaps what you would do to diagnose and repair a judder on take up of drive and intermittantly between gears on a Dual clutch gearbox?
Or even how you would diagnose a simple battery drain without taking forever and a day to do so.
I suppose it comes back to the old argument where some people assume that a mechanic and a technician are two different job roles, when in fact they really are not.
Anyways, back to some of the questions...............
Total cost of the repair was around £11.5K the bill was picked up by insurance. Bottom end was £7500 compared to a replacment engine at £12500 which doesnt come with anything extra, just the heads and timing chains etc, so much cheaper to replace the bottom end.
It took me around 35 - 40 hours to complete, I think it was Tom who said that its not a difficult repair, and thats true, it is just nuts and bolts at the end of the day, a few bits of specialist knowlage needed here and there with some bits, but yeah, just a long ass job
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Impressive! Must be nice to have a job to be getting on with, as opposed to doing 6 services and some pads and discs?
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Mattb
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Impressive! Must be nice to have a job to be getting on with, as opposed to doing 6 services and some pads and discs?
Thats my idea of a shit day that, enjoy bigger and more complex stuff. A few days after the RS4 was done, i had a Q5 in for a replacement set of pistons and conrods. Between me and my apprentice it was in and out in under 10 hours.
Servicing is so mundane, even worse on the bulk of cars we see, sub 40k miles and usually under 5 years old..
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Nic Barnes
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I think Steve actually has learning difficulties.
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Steve
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Correct
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--ToM--
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I think Steve could have done that job in his living room tbh
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FlaFFy_91
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I think it does in certain aspects, last engine I built required a lot of brain power, shimming 24 valves and doing all the clearances making sure it's sbsoloutely perfect then once all built up setting the ignition timing on a v12 quad cam with twin separate dizzys running each bank almost as a separate engine with two sets of points per dizzy where the flywheel turns clockwise and the cams turn anticlockwise was a bit of a challenge especially with limited space to work etc and getting each dizzy timed up correctly.
Piece of piss that tom. I once bolted a cage into the back of a puma. Could time that shit up all day long....
Think mattb has summed it up to a T to be honest.
Also, what sort of hours are booked to a job like that matt?
I love jobs like that. Same as yourself really. Servicing and all that get boring and plain. I'd rather be stripping a bottom end off or rebuilding a head.
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I was one of the most intelligent students in my year, and I chose to be a mechanic.
I don't think it has anything to do with intelligence, generally people who have their own mind do what they want to do.
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--ToM--
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Same, went to an all boys grammar school (fortunately the all girls was next door lol) and I was the only lad in my year who left at 16 head teacher even called my mum in to try and talk her round because I had good grades and the potential to go to uni and be very successful blah blah blah Im happy with the decision I made I don't think iv done bad at all.
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