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Cybermonkey

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19th May 03 at 11:04

Technical Specifications:
Engine
Type: Inline-4, Turbocharged (Garrett)
Displacement cu in (cc): 122 (1998)
Power bhp (kW) at RPM: 215(158) / 5500
Torque lb-ft (Nm) at RPM: 228(310) / 3500
Redline at RPM: n.a.
Brakes & Tires
Brakes F/R: ABS, vented disc/vented disc
Tires F-R: 225/40 R18
Exterior Dimensions & Weight
Length × Width × Height in: n.a.
Weight lb (kg): n.a.
Performance
Acceleration 0-62 mph s: 6.4
Top Speed mph (km/h): 144 (235)
Fuel Economy EPA city/highway mpg (l/100 km): 20/37 (n.a.)

SetH

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19th May 03 at 11:04

quote:
Vehicle:- Civic / Astra
BHP:- 197 / 197
0-30:- 2.7 / 2.6
mph
0-60:- 6.7 / 6.6
mph
0-100:- 16.2 / 17.3
mph
1/4 Mile:- 15.2 / 15.2
Seconds
1/4 Mile:- 96 / 94
mph

Pretty evenly matched. Civic quicker to 100 by a second.

Can't find the RS specs..

nice, thanks nik.

Cybermonkey

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19th May 03 at 11:05

What are the Torque figures for the CTR and Astra?

nik

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19th May 03 at 11:05

Civic's gear ratios (to optimise vtec) means you change into 3rd gear around 60mph hence then 6.4/6.8 (various figures recorded) once your in 3rd gear it really gets going which is why it's a second quicker than the Astra to 100 yet slightly slower to 30 + 60..

nik

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19th May 03 at 11:06

Just read on Honda site - 0-60 is 6.4 and 0-62 is 6.8 (3rd gear change)

Checking torque figures..

nik

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19th May 03 at 11:08

145lb-ft for Civic - not that impressive but it certainly doesnt make the car slow. Checking astra now..

Cybermonkey

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19th May 03 at 11:09

Hmmm thats lowly. Oh well, whatever it loses in low-down grunt it makes up for in hi-end BHP.

nik

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19th May 03 at 11:10

250 Nm for the astra not sure how to work that out?? The CTR is still swift out of the vtec, soon as you hit 5900 rpm its much much quicker

l33t corsa

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19th May 03 at 11:13

I like the Civic.. because I'm a Honda geek.

But what does the Focus cost? If Honda brought the new Jap spec Integra Type R (you can't get it here) over here, I'd be interested in how it faired against the RS. 220ps... lsd, and the rest of the usual Type R bits and bobs. You can get 1 year old ones import for about 17k. The stripped out version is 14k otr new.

The japanese spec civic has 215ps and an lsd too, and it's available in championship white

Cybermonkey

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19th May 03 at 11:13

ha ha, my corsa starts picking up at about 3500rpm, and keeps pulling hard until about 5000rpm, then it drops off very quickly.Astra is about 185lb/ft.

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l33t corsa

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19th May 03 at 11:14

Oh, and everyone knows it's better to make torque at high revs than low...

Cybermonkey

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19th May 03 at 11:16

Actually its better to have a nice straight torque line all the way through the rev range. My dads ST170 pulls from about 1500rpm, which is very low, and VERY handy at traffic lights.

SetH

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19th May 03 at 11:16

Around a race track yeah, but for normal round conditions id prefer torque earlier in the rev range.

Cybermonkey

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19th May 03 at 11:17

Exactly Seth. You need something thats gotta be sensible at some times. I would say, go with the RS, its not common like the CTR, and its beautiful to drive. Also, not much out their can beat you on the little twisty backroads!

l33t corsa

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19th May 03 at 11:24

Well yeah.. the R stands for Racing after all. It's not as if the civic is a slouch in the lower revs... but revving higher means you can either have lower ratios for quicker accelloration, or be able to get higher speeds in lower gears. It seems honda went for the earlier.

[Edited on 19-05-2003 by l33t corsa]

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19th May 03 at 11:24

I would prefer the RS myself!
Also 1st and 2nd gear on the RS has been restricted because there is too much torque!!
which can be overwritten with a £499 superchip!

EVO got to 60mph in 5.9 as standard!

[Edited on 19-05-2003 by SRi_Lad]

nik

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19th May 03 at 12:09

I'd rather spend 4k on my CTR than buy a Ford. Jap reliability, imagine what you could do with the engine for 4k - Bye bye RST

Ojc

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19th May 03 at 12:15

GTF, I would prefer the Astra GSi will a set of Billys and a FMIC & a stage 1 tune up.

Bye Bye RS, bye bye CTR.

CyborgZR

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19th May 03 at 12:17

Comparing a 2.0 NA engine against a 2.0 Turbo engine is silly.

Tom

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19th May 03 at 12:24

maybe so but aint that silly, both 200 ish bhp hatch cars similar 0-60 times, but yeah imagine the ctr with a turbo bolted on

Friend of mine is thinking about getting a supercharger kit for his ATR the nutter

vibrio

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19th May 03 at 12:41

I'd have none of them.. they do nothing for me. while they are fast and handle very very good the styling sucks. the astra, CTR, FRS and stockers punto GT would be evenish over the 1/4 mile and not much in the in gear times. be down to driver. I would prefer to have the turbo engine though

RS not worth the extra cash IMHO

[Edited on 19-05-2003 by vibrio]

Ojc

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19th May 03 at 12:51

The Astra is the way forward.

vibrio

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19th May 03 at 12:55

your gay ollie GTF. leon cupraR better than the astra

sxi boy

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19th May 03 at 15:48

quote:
Originally posted by neiliosxi
A mate of mine has jusr sold his 1.8 sri and is waiting for his focus RS, 19 years old Alright for some!

ave u seen it yet? he came round dean's in it the other day, just looks like a focus on 18's to be fair

i hope he crashes it the bastard

wud sooner have CTR and use the £4k to supercharge it. One of me m8s just got rid of a CTR, it was mint, vtec power mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Ojc

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19th May 03 at 16:08

GTF WITH YOUR GTF!

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