Demo
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love them 
drove alongside one yesterday on the m4 in traffic. sounds fucking lovely 
looked nice in performance blue but not as nice as in electric orange, but tbh the nicest one ive seen round here has been in red 
still not as nice as the RS though imo
[Edited on 27-07-2006 by Demo]
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mwg
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I think they are ugly 
Engine will be nice if its from Volvo. Lovely noise.
I'd much rather have a Golf GTi or Astra VXR though 
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dna23
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
17 year old in a Focus ST = probably dangerous.
I don't care there exists two 17 year olds who could handle a car like that, the vast majority would bend it in half an hour.
If you're going to be cantankerous and pedantic then can you please at least agree with the preponderant point, which was made quite correctly.
Yes probably dangerous but not just dangerous out right, it was a sweeping statement as i highlighted.
I'm not asking you to care that there's two drivers who could, i'm simply highlighting them as an example of drivers who are in that age category and could handle the car. Again bringing us back to your first statement, yes most 17 year olds would be a risk/danger in that car but not all.
I was only being cantankerous and pedantic at the generalisation made, something i had to do to highlight the fact that yes the majority of drivers would be a risk but not all drivers.
I do agree with the point, but i didnt feel it necessary to post "Yes, I agree" or something along those lines i thought my argument highlighted that point and then Ryan confirmed it himself. 
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Originally posted by dna23
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Originally posted by Ry_B
Yea but a 17 year old can't have much road experience, meaning it's dangerous. TBH I don't think you can argue a 17 year old owning a Focus ST is not dangerous
 You're so naive, don't jump to a conclusion about someones experience with handling high powered cars just because of their age. I know at least 2-3 17/18 year olds who would be more than capable in that car on the track or road.
Think outside the box Ryan.
just because someone has experiance on a track doesnt mean they are a good driver on the road, road sense is about what else is going on around you, not just what your doing, and being aware of any hazardsz/situations that might arise.
most, if not all 17 yr olds wont have had the time on the road to experience this...
Agreed but my point is if they have track experience in higher powered cars they're aware of the cars limits and how to handle them (obviously it differs from person to person depending upon the amount of training received and cars driven) but then on the road they pose just as much risk as any other 17 yr old and the car is negligible so arguing a point specifically to the ST isn't correct it's to any car.
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I'd say its more a case of experience than age Ryan. Nice cars though but i wouldn't own one if i had the money - could think of far nice things to spend it on
Yea but a 17 year old can't have much road experience, meaning it's dangerous. TBH I don't think you can argue a 17 year old owning a Focus ST is not dangerous
I agree to an extent here but what i'm trying to say is the individuals i know and yes this is a unique case (but don't ignore that) can handle cars of that power, also driving on a track and with cars/karts from a young age usually 10-12 years old they are usually quite clued up in terms of what to look for in terms of situations that may arise and they usually have a natural talent for driving. They're constantly planning ahead of them selves predicting what may happen just like most people should/need to do on road driving.
Yes this isn't the same as being on the roas but it serves them in very good sted for when they eventually get on to the road and drive. Also their mindset would allow them to adapt and integrate very quickly, i know a number of young drivers in Formula BMW who i'd feel a lot more safer with in a car on the road than with some people i know who are 25-30.
Again it's a case of most wouldn't but a small minority actually may. Yes i am being pedantic about this but i am bored and fancied a debate.
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a_j_mair
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17yr olds are not mature enough to drive such a car IMO doesnt matter how much experience or how good a drive. youth would kick in and probably kill them in such a car
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Skylined
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^^ I agree i don't think people my age are mature enough to handle the responsibility of such power, especially as a first car.
I would have wrapped it round a tree by now at least
I think age groups should be restricted to a certain engine size like it is with motorbikes.
17 = max 1.4
18 = 1.6
19 = 1.8
21+ = 2.0 +
or something like that
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Cybermonkey
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Originally posted by Skylined
^^ I agree i don't think people my age are mature enough to handle the responsibility of such power, especially as a first car.
I would have wrapped it round a tree by now at least
I think age groups should be restricted to a certain engine size like it is with motorbikes.
17 = max 1.4
18 = 1.6
19 = 1.8
21+ = 2.0 +
or something like that
so a 1300 starlet turbo is fine 
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mwg
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or a Golf 1.4 TSi
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Skylined
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Wasn't being specific just as an example
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Daimo B
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Good cars, plenty of tuning potential. Styling wise they aren't too bad.
But
Not a patch on the VXR. It feels lifeless and boring to drive. You get out feeling "dis-satisfied and un-forfilled".
I can get in the VXR, hit sports mode and have an excitable giggle within a few minutes.
Good cars, but in the current market of hot hatchs, IMO, its been left behined.
Good handling car, but as said, it may go fast, but so does a merc and that requires no driver involvment
Plus its a 2.5 but in every test done thus far, its always behined the VXR.
Also..
Numbeuring (SP?)
Astra VXR - 8.35
Focus ST - 8.51
Zafira VXR - 8.54
I wouldn't be too happy if my 2.5 turbo is only 3-4 seconds faster than a 7 seater people carrier
Good cars, but better out there. Everytime i see one i think "should ahve got a VXR
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Cybermonkey
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
Good cars, plenty of tuning potential. Styling wise they aren't too bad.
But
Not a patch on the VXR. It feels lifeless and boring to drive. You get out feeling "dis-satisfied and un-forfilled".
I can get in the VXR, hit sports mode and have an excitable giggle within a few minutes.
Good cars, but in the current market of hot hatchs, IMO, its been left behined.
Good handling car, but as said, it may go fast, but so does a merc and that requires no driver involvment
Plus its a 2.5 but in every test done thus far, its always behined the VXR.
Also..
Numbeuring (SP?)
Astra VXR - 8.35
Focus ST - 8.51
Zafira VXR - 8.54
I wouldn't be too happy if my 2.5 turbo is only 3-4 seconds faster than a 7 seater people carrier
Good cars, but better out there. Everytime i see one i think "should ahve got a VXR
are you quoting an article or are those your words? you must be the first person ever to step out of a fast Focus feeling "uninspired". the chassis handling package is still the best in the class, and i guess the upcoming RS will kick butt in the hot hatch market.
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ClaireF
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i see loads of them, actually one has being stolen in bridlington,
right a friends orange st ford focus has been stolen from her home in bridlington last night around 4am broke into her house and then stole the keys
please keep an eye out for it or if anyone has any information on where it is please pm me
thanks.
ORANGE ST FORD FOCUS
REG: YY55 UPP
[Edited on 27-07-2006 by ClaireF]
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Cybermonkey
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a car stolen in North England  who would have thought!
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SetH
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that looks awesome cybermonkey.
Dont like that current ST though tbh, im not liking how hot hatches are looking like mini people carriers these days, maybe thats why they have gone for loud paint jobs, only way to make them stand out.
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Daimo B
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quote:
are you quoting an article or are those your words? you must be the first person ever to step out of a fast Focus feeling "uninspired". the chassis handling package is still the best in the class, and i guess the upcoming RS will kick butt in the hot hatch market.
I am speaking from experience.
I certainly am not the first to think this, do a search online.... Partly why many drivers went for the VXR. Have you actually driven either car to form an opinion?
It may be the best chassis, but it still doesn't out perform other models, it isn't the quickest round a track, it doesn't feel inspiring and doesn't give much feel unlike the VXR and other models of car.
Take both out and u'll understand. Otherwise, you won't understand.
Didn't think they were doing an RS model, but there is the UK WOLF upgrade, uprated turbocharger, suspension package etc... 291bhp and 300+lb ft torque....
Although the same gains can be obtained from a VXR for much less of the costing, without uprating the turbo.
Go for 300+ on the astra and u'll need a change.
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Cybermonkey
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i agree seth. needs sharp bits on the front, so that pedestrians know what hit them.
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Daimo B
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PS, that image above isn't a FWD so isn't the same class.
That will be scooby, evo class so can't be compared.
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Cybermonkey
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
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are you quoting an article or are those your words? you must be the first person ever to step out of a fast Focus feeling "uninspired". the chassis handling package is still the best in the class, and i guess the upcoming RS will kick butt in the hot hatch market.
I am speaking from experience.
I certainly am not the first to think this, do a search online.... Partly why many drivers went for the VXR. Have you actually driven either car to form an opinion?
It may be the best chassis, but it still doesn't out perform other models, it isn't the quickest round a track, it doesn't feel inspiring and doesn't give much feel unlike the VXR and other models of car.
Take both out and u'll understand. Otherwise, you won't understand.
Didn't think they were doing an RS model, but there is the UK WOLF upgrade, uprated turbocharger, suspension package etc... 291bhp and 300+lb ft torque....
Although the same gains can be obtained from a VXR for much less of the costing, without uprating the turbo.
Go for 300+ on the astra and u'll need a change.
TBH the Astra is struggling with 240bhp through the front wheels. yes its a great car, and after being a passenger in a test drive of the XR5, i can safely say that Ford have not lost their touch when it comes to making a great handling FWD package. more than can be said for Vauxhall. yes, improvements over the mk4 have been made, but is it enough? the Focus is still the motoring journo's fave between the 2, being pipped at the post by the awesome Golf GTi.
isnt this thread for Focus ST appreciation, not for getting out One's penis extension and rubbing it over the board
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Cybermonkey
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Originally posted by VXR
PS, that image above isn't a FWD so isn't the same class.
That will be scooby, evo class so can't be compared.
its a hatchback, and its hot. do the math...
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SetH
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same debate with escort cosworth tbh, thats a hatchback and its hot but its compared to evos/scoobs.
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ed
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quote:
Originally posted by ClaireF
i see loads of them, actually one has being stolen in bridlington,
right a friends orange st ford focus has been stolen from her home in bridlington last night around 4am broke into her house and then stole the keys
please keep an eye out for it or if anyone has any information on where it is please pm me or call 01482 867142 and ask for valerie.
thanks.
ORANGE ST FORD FOCUS
REG: YY55 UPP
Why worry about it. It's insured. I wouldn't want my car back if it had been stolen, I'd want a new one.
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Kyle T
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Does she also know that you've posted her phone number on a public forum, and Corsasport of all things...
Lotus Elise 111R
Impreza WRX STi
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Cybermonkey
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Originally posted by SetH
same debate with escort cosworth tbh, thats a hatchback and its hot but its compared to evos/scoobs.
thats because lame ass Vauxhall had nothing to respond with, oooooh Astra MK3 GSi
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Cybermonkey
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Originally posted by Kyle T
Does she also know that you've posted her phone number on a public forum, and Corsasport of all things...
i have a new text friend
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SetH
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i will ring up to enquire about the tensilary strength of her ring piece.
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